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    Default England starting to imitate America?

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08...night-rioting/

    Demise of government [over] entitlement programs cause people of color to burn down their neighborhoods.

    England has so spoiled its youth, and their only skill being drinking and texting, It seems you may expect the country to look like one big Compton riot, as after the imbecile Rodney King was properly beaten by the police.

    Any cut fingers from breaking store windows will be treated by the Brits for free at a cost of millions.

    The Chinese are bent over laughing at how stupid we all are to divest ourselves of jobs for our youth and give it to them to build shiny toy machinery and debri to fill our dollar stores.

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    Cookie sent me this story too.
    I do recall during the Viet Nam war, also seeing daily coverage from England over their religious war. The Catholics and the Protestants were in heated battle.

    Maybe that's why Ian moved here. We do seem to get along better with all of our differences.

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    I was wondering who would be the first to start poking Ian with this one
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

    This is dreadful and unacceptable: an unimaginable example of the violence that can be triggered, and spread, when police shoot a person of minority descent in England.

    In America, people simply would not care. Police shoot people dead all the time here.

    Americans have become that numb.

    But for how much longer?

    Your disadvantaged population is larger and more disillussioned than any anywhere. And to make matters worse, America's poor have guns.

    So take it as a lesson. Raise taxes on the rich. And provide the poor with the essential services they are entitled to. Ban guns. And focus on jobs.

    Or else.

    England is bit like America though:

    0105: BBC staff member reports hundreds of youths ransacking a Panasonic store in West Ealing - no sign of police.
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    Pay the ransom. That's really what welfare and hand out programs are. A ransom that we pay to keep a select few from tearing our cities apart. When the welfare state begins to break down, those that depend on government money to live are the first effected. Since there are no jobs or other legal ways for these people to get the money they need to live, they will begin to riot, rob, mug, pillage and destroy whatever gets in their way. The wave of rioting will grow and begin to suck in more and more people. It will cost the government billions to stop it. More police, more jails etc. It is actually cheaper to pay the ransom than deal with the problem. The thing is that eventually, if enough welfare folks are on the dole, there are not enough working people to pay the bill. Is this what is happening in England now? or is this whole thing an isolated abboration caused by social unrest?
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    Most of the youth of our rich nations are becoming android abberations because of electronic devices glued to their ears 90% of the day.

    And the lack, especially in the 'other' races of not having a father, or a father that cannot change a tire. Or spends most time in jail.

    Every generation said the youth are turning to garbage, but now we have a new experiment with the innundation in media.

    I say every kid that steps out of high school gets two years of community service in camps without phones and tv's. And lots of theose sadistic unemployed fathers as bunkhouse watchmen with shot filled rubber hoses.

    Uniforms in ALL schools, hard work, machine training, trail building makes men instead of bored vandals. The BEST workers I ever had were vets. They learned discipline, and that makes life so much easier.

    What we do about all those sluts in g-strings at age 15 is another question. [Sure wish they had them when I was 15.]

    I say legalize prostitution for those over 18, and our daughters won't be found nearly as often buried in the forest. Rember when you walked home from school when you were 12 years old? Where did that world go and why?

    And Ian, our cops shoot a lot of people, not quite enough, but because they DO have guns and 99.9% of the time that bullet was their best and well deserved medicine.
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    Police have released dramatic security camera footage they say shows masked and hooded rioters firing shots at unarmed officers and a police helicopter in the English city of Birmingham.

    They hope the public will come forward with information as they investigate the violence that took place amid widespread rioting earlier this month.

    The footage shows a group of 30 to 40 young men, dressed in black, in the Newtown area of Birmingham as they attacked a pub late on Tuesday, Aug. 9, West Midlands Police said in a statement.

    As police tried to disperse the group, petrol bombs were thrown at a police car and shots were fired, police said. Officers believe the rioters intended to set fire to the pub.

    Chief Constable Chris Sims said the incident was being treated as attempted murder and arson.

    The force has taken the "unusual step" of releasing the footage because of the potential for serious harm to his officers and members of the public, he said.

    "Eleven shots were fired at unarmed officers to enable disorder to continue, whilst petrol bombs were also thrown at officers who initially attended the scene," he said.

    "This footage shows seemingly co-ordinated criminal behaviour with no regard for people's lives, whether it be through the setting of a fire, shooting at unarmed officers or shooting at the police helicopter."

    West Midlands Police have so far arrested more than 500 people over the disturbances in Birmingham and nearby towns, of whom more than 140 have been charged.

    On Friday, Prince William and Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge, visited areas of Birmingham affected by the disorder.

    They met with residents including a small business owner whose store in central Birmingham was looted, local community leaders and emergency responders.

    Among the places they visited was Winson Green, an inner-city area where three young Asian men were killed by a hit-and-run driver amid the disturbances.

    Four men have been charged over their deaths and police continue to question other suspects. An eighth man was arrested Friday on suspicion of murder, police said.

    Your bobbies don't need to carry guns?
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    The simple fact of the matter is that having a gun discharge in England is an extremely rare event.

    And because guns are banned, it's easy to spot the bad guys - because they are the ones that have guns.

    No excuses if you get caught with one - jail time.

    In America, the Police just don't know if a guy with a gun is a bad guy or not which is why your traffic cops are so jumpy.

    Ban guns. It's common sense that seems to have been lost on Americans.
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    It is might be equally as easy to spot the bad guys just by looking at the dead good guys laying on the ground.

    Times change Ian due to a necessity for it to. No one likes change but, sometimes, it has to be.

    I think the people in your own country would feel alot safer if they knew the police was able to defend them and truly, save their lives, if need be.

    Your countrymen should have the right to defend their very own lives. No country or govn should have the right to take that away. You can bet your boots Ian the people in the right positions in your govn have a gun to defend their own lives and that of their own families.

    It is a basic right to want to survive. I betcha, the queen probably has one of those garterbelt gun hoisters like this, it probably matches her hats:
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    No American should have the right to own a gun.

    Where did this sense of entitlement come from that I see so often with gun owners?

    Police should be able to have them, but only specialized officers who are properly trained. That is what we have in England.

    In America, any Tom, Dick or Harry can own one and - let's face it - Americans are simply not as clever as the Canadians.

    Which is why many more people die from gun crime here.

    The vast majority of it preventable if the country would just man up and Ban Guns.

    Your countrymen should have the right to defend their very own lives.
    We do. We just use bats, knives and fists instead. All of which do not kill, but still teach a lesson.

    Why are Americans so intent on killing each other?

    It's because the values handed down from your parents teach you not to care for anyone outside your family, isn't it?

    The very same reason you dislike taxes.

    The very same reason the drivers on your roads are so aggressive.

    America needs to socialize. And care. For one another would be a good start.
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    Do you not believe that those in power in your country do not own a gun to protect their very own lives or that of their very own families?

    I do not undestand why you think, that knives and fists and bats do not kill. They do Ian. Not everything is to teach a lesson like you cited.

    And, mostly, I do not understand why the people of England are treated as K-students without a thinking brain in their head. You want to ban so much Ian, that everything is so controlled in your country. I am an adult. And, I can make decisions and choices and you should be too, and your countrymen should be able to, also.

    I think, you may see the day come Ian, where your country will change because the people will demand it.

    and... we do socialize, we target shoot, which is alot of fun. We have that choice Ian.

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    In America, any Tom, Dick or Harry can own one and - let's face it - Americans are simply not as clever as the Canadians.


    The pendulum in Canada re gun control is beginning to swing the other way. Look for the long arm registry to be abolished soon. Where I frequent there has been a marked increase in wolf attacks on domestic pets, as apparently the deer population is decreasing. It is only a matter of time before a person becomes the next victim, an unfortunate circumstance which could be prevented by carrying a firearm. Ian, there remain places which are not governable by PHD's, social workers, and other trappings of big government. And we like it that way.

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