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    Default Old one-piece with leaking flush valve, American Standard 2000/2149/2005 ?

    Here is one I don't normally see. A one-piece toilet with a strange looking flush valve. It's leaking, so I need to find parts. This is a picture that a customer sent.

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    http://www.plumbingpartsdepot.com/as2000curtin.pdf

    http://www.chicagofaucetshoppe.com/A...curtain-50.htm

    I'm thinking American Standard 2149
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    It converts to the "tip flush", I believe #4. The replacement has three rubber plugs to seal the bolt holes, and attaches with "toggles" through the center opening.

    http://www.chicagofaucetshoppe.com/P...AS-47086-0700A
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    Also the over flow is below the handle.

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    Yes, I was looking at the fill tube, I would think that whoever did the work before should have directed it to the overflow under the handle. Though since it's been years since I've worked on one of these in person, I'm not sure that it "has" to go there.
    Most likely it should. I'm still trying to find original pictures showing it complete with the old ball on an arm style fill valve.

    I did see three on these on Somerset years ago. We pulled them out and replaced with Toto Ultramax toilets. They homeowners wanted to save on their water bill. I was called when they got a very high water bill, and out they went. The old American Standard bowls that is.

    They were friends of my parents, hearing was not so good. I had been to the home to replace a lav faucet six weeks previous and had mentioned that they were leaking. I can walk into a home and hear those kind of leaks. They thought I was pulling their leg though. It was a frequency that they couldn't' hear. They could read the water bill though six weeks later.
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    The original fill valve had a copper or brass refill tube,and did not need a clip.
    I worked quite a few of these and was the only one in the shop that could take them apart.The kit HJ posted works good.
    As far as the refill tube goes I made clips out of guide wires and siliconed the to the over flow,not the best way but keep the tube in place.

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    Some of the newer tanks had a hole in the ceramic above the overflow for the refill tube to slide through. A Fluidmaster clip can be "bent" to grab the wall of the overflow. Without the refill tube into the overflow, it is problematical whether there will be enough water in the bowl at the start of the flush to perform properly.

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    It originally had a plain brass ball cock with a float, similar to an Indiana Brass one. They were generic to all the the companies tanks at the time. And since they fit ALL tanks, they were like the Fluidmaster of their day.

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    Default Found replacement part but missing plugs for ceramic holes

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Yes, I was looking at the fill tube, I would think that whoever did the work before should have directed it to the overflow under the handle. Though since it's been years since I've worked on one of these in person, I'm not sure that it "has" to go there.
    Most likely it should. I'm still trying to find original pictures showing it complete with the old ball on an arm style fill valve.

    I did see three on these on Somerset years ago. We pulled them out and replaced with Toto Ultramax toilets. They homeowners wanted to save on their water bill. I was called when they got a very high water bill, and out they went. The old American Standard bowls that is.

    They were friends of my parents, hearing was not so good. I had been to the home to replace a lav faucet six weeks previous and had mentioned that they were leaking. I can walk into a home and hear those kind of leaks. They thought I was pulling their leg though. It was a frequency that they couldn't' hear. They could read the water bill though six weeks later.
    For our Kohler circa 1944 toilet, I flipped over the leather seal back in 1995 to resolve leakage -- a local plumber who was about 70 at the time told me to do this with the remark, "Wow, I haven't seen one like this in a long, long time." That bought me time up until now. Before I found this website, I located a this page, http://www.lawsupply.net/brass_ware/...alve/index.htm, and bought this one, http://www.chicagofaucetshoppe.com/A...7086-0700a.htm.

    It seems to fit, but the ceramic screw holes outside of the large opening are exposed.

    I need to somehow plug those holes.

    Any suggestion/reccomendation?

    Thanks!

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    If you pay for water and sewer, do yourself a favor and dump it for a new one! If you dry it out for a day or so, you could probably use something like KerdiFix, which is a urethane based sealant. You'd likely never get it out should you need to do any maintenance the next time, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clneu View Post
    It seems to fit, but the ceramic screw holes outside of the large opening are exposed.

    I need to somehow plug those holes.

    Any suggestion/reccomendation?

    Thanks!
    I too need to find a plug for these holes. Can anyone recommend something?

    Thanks

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