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    I'm getting a little bit worried about this.

    It seems the TPRs risk kicking in, releasing vapor, and the pressure is rising from inadequate coolant being pumped (because there is no power).

    Now I wouldn't buy a Japanese toilet (I own a Cadet 3) and I figure their nuclear reactors might not be much better. Why couldn't they have gone with installing the Bradfords instead, like we keep telling people?

    But, seriously, I hope they get this one under control else all of you West of the Rockies had best come stay with me!
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    Oops... Too late the water heater blew...


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    The British are on the way.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12721827

    Not sitting on their hands like the Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    The British are on the way.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12721827

    Not sitting on their hands like the Americans.
    Good... I'm glad to hear you brits are on the way....

    We are already there waiting on you....

    President Barack Obama said one American aircraft carrier was already off Japan and a second on its way. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake
    That's 2 floating nuclear power plants...
    One there and one on the way...

    Plus a bunch of aircraft and medical facilities on board...

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    They don't need an aircraft carrier or even two right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    They don't need an aircraft carrier or even two right now.
    Well they don't need yours anyway judging by how long it took them to get to the Falkland Islands...

    "We have units from all of our services, with a multitude of capabilities, from medical to communications to civil engineering, poised and ready to support where needed," U.S. Ambassador to Japan John Roos said in a paper statement.

    Two Marine helicopters have already delivered 1,500 pounds of rice and bread to the hardest hit area, Shioishi City in Miyagi Prefecture. The food was a donation from Ebina City, a suburb of Tokyo. Meanwhile, five Air Force helicopters and crews from rescue squadrons were en route to an air base near Tokyo to support search and rescue missions.

    Eight Navy ships are either nearby, or moving toward Japan. The USS McCampbell and USS Curtis are at sea preparing to help with at-sea search and rescue and recovery operations; they will be joined by the USS Mustin on Sunday.

    The USS Ronald Reagan is also expected to arrive on Sunday, functioning as a refueling station for the Japan Self-Defense Forces and helicopters involved in search and rescue.

    The USS Blue Ridge was re-stocked with aid, including food and water, and is expected to arrive on Friday. Three more ships, the USS Tortuga, USS Essex and USS Germantown are also en route to Japan.

    The Japanese government has accepted help from the U.S. Agency for International Development, which sent search and rescue teams from Fairfax and Los Angeles to assist rescue efforts Saturday morning.

    The teams include 150 personnel and 12 dogs trained to detect live victims. They will join Japanese and international search and rescue teams in the search for live victims upon arrival on Sunday morning.

    Two officials from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission were also on board that USAID flight, though Japan has not yet accepted an offer of assistance from the commission.

    "We have some of the most expert people in this field in the world working for the NRC and we stand ready to assist in any way possible," said Chairman Gregory Jaczko in a paper statement.


    The American Red Cross has also extended an offer of help. So far, Japanese Red Cross said it would accept financial support to help provide first aid and relief items to those displaced.

    American Red Cross will deploy a disaster management expert Sunday from Washington, D.C., for a week-long mission. She will serve on a seven-person, international team focused on providing high-level support and advice. http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=13124482
    We'll be waiting for your Fifty-nine search and rescue experts, four medics and two sniffer dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    They don't need an aircraft carrier or even two right now.
    So Ian, I notice your opinion of the American aircraft carriers has adjusted upwards a bit since that statement.

    One thing I don't get is if powering the cooling pumps was the problem then why wasn't a line run to link up to one of the American carriers off the coast? The last time I looked, these plants were located on the coast, so distance shouldn't have been a problem
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    If anyone knows japanese culture, they are an intensely proud and "do for ourself" nation. Often to the point of very bad decisions. In an airplane crash some years a go, the Americans found the site, and were landing men there when the Japanese rescue forces forbid them to help.

    The japanese did not get there until the next morning, and 30 or 40 people perished in that night. I have a feeling that some of that pride will be found to have contributed to the meltdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    The British are on the way.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12721827

    Not sitting on their hands like the Americans.
    And remember this is not a pot stirrer!.... And from his cousin:

    You may find it interesting that us dumb Americans have also built atomic power plants in seismic active areas...
    Here in the US we have the San Onofre and Diablo Canyon Reactors with similar seismic exposure...

    Diablo is not in the ring of fire, and its not in a position for backup power to be flooded [DUH! in japanese] And Diablo was stopped for 3 years for the most intensive seismic upgrades ever made.

    If you can make a power plant that operates on a ship in a typhoon, you can make the same model for use on land

    And if anyone had a brain 40 years ago, and I believe a few did, all the plants would operate in FAIL SAFE mode with passive cooling, irregardless of a power supply or a drunken operator.

    But then the pump makers would'nt have made much money on the plants construction.

    Funny how every city in America has a water tower up 100 feet in the air with a few hundred thousand gallons of water in it for relatively non-safety related issues. But the Japanese couldnt afford to put a few next to each reactor?

    HEY! Just in from Japanese news central: "We discova Dodge floor mat got stuck under the nuclear accelerator pedal!!" And "we no design-a the hokey pokey electronics! .... Amelican General Electric designer told us put genalator on beach!!! So we had to put old fuel lods ona roof, shaking building apart in earthquake - plobably cause by Amelican drill rigs in Alaska. "

    And all horseplay aside, no humans should face this three punch knockout they have suffered. If these plants melt down, japan will lose about half of its real estate. At least we have places to move people to.
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    Here ya go BallValve! Have a go at it!
    http://esa21.kennesaw.edu/activities...nergy/nuke.htm

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    Take the pumps OUT and have a go at the game ! The reactor always wins.

    Think of todays nuclear power as every house on pumped sewage and septic.

    Gravity rules. Like a Tsunami.

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