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    Utility lines fall all the time where I live in the US.

    They just string 'em back up again and ignore all the damage caused in the interim (by loss of power, cable, phone etc. not to mention cars hitting them).

    People are just too cheap in America to do the job properly.

    Which would consist of burying utility lines in urban and sub-urban areas.

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    I agree with Ian. To a point. Unions of private sector employees should be permitted to bargain and negotiate all what they want with management. But if they strike, call in sick, or damage property they should be subject to immediate firing and management should get to immediately hire permanent replacements. If the union is right and management will not be able to hire someone who is cheaper, more productive, etc. management will soon learn its lesson and either go out of business or rehire union workers. But if the union is wrong and management can hire better, cheaper, faster nonunion help, why shouldn't it be allowed to do so if the union has gone on strike and quit working?

    Everyone needs to realize that you are only worth what it costs to replace you.

    Re: public sector unions, everything that I have read indicates that public unions receive unrealistic benefits, so some reasonable and affordable cap on the same appears necessary.

    Part of my "Ianistic" attitude towards unions is that I have found much of management, especially public management, to be as incompetent, bueracratic, and corrupt as unions.

    And if a teacher goes on strike during the school year he/she should immediately lose their license to teach and should have their names placed on a child abuse registry..

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    Everyone needs to realize that you are only worth what it costs to replace you.
    So that's the American dream?

    In England, human beings are regarded to be more than just "animals".

    We value life, society, security and the dignity a job brings.

    One wonders what the churches here are teaching people.

    One thing is for sure. Thomas Jefferson's opening to the Declaration of Independence has not been honored. Since clearly "All men are not created equal".

    Men were not created equal then, and they are not now.

    At least not in America.

    For example, try being born to a mom with no health insurance and see how "equal" you feel compared to the guy in the crib next to you whose mom paid his dues.

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    Check out Frederick Jackon Turner ( Frontier Thesis ) and Manifest Destiny.

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    You could also, compare it to whose mom's had them aborted Ian. Look at China, they select their sex and what happens to the unwanted one? Nothing is ever perfect, and words are just words, actions are what count. Whatever is worth having is worth fighting for, working for, and perfecting. Those words on the piece of paper is just the start it unfortunately, doesn't write it in granite like you think. Solutions come about after many trials and tribulations. I have worked with alot of different kinds of kids. Kids you wouldn't want to meet, you wouldn't love everything they do, and nothing I could do could change it. Some of the parents gave up, some preached and lectured to them, some just stood by not knowing what to do, and in all, time was the answer. In time they went one way or the other. It really isn't much different than the politics in a county, striving to fix what is wrong. If only, every person did their 2 cents worth to make it a better place to live, to leave the world just alittle bit better than when born into it, changes would happen, you would readily, see changes. But, their are too many people whom are afraid to get involved for whatever, reason. So, they stand by until, it affects their life, or their loved ones. I find the answer is so simple and yet, it is one of the most complicated things. It is to care.

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    I agree it is caring what matters.

    But it is also self-interest. We all need to realise that falling on bad luck from time-to-time is part of the human condition.

    It is not "lazy" to need a little bit of help from the Government every now and again, whether it be chronic illness, job loss or a childhood deep in poverty.

    It is not "bad" to help one's neighbor through higher taxes or Government help.

    People can be free and they can be better off with a bigger Government.

    Forget Reagan and stop blaming Government for your woes. He liked to scapegoat Government didn't he for the problems he could not solve?

    You see Government is only trying to help.

    Let it into your life.

    Let it protect you. Let it nurture you. Let it grow.

    You will all get your tax dollars back when it is your time to suffer. And most of us will suffer in the time we have here on this Earth.

    In short, no man is an island. Americans are not isolated from one another, but are interconnected. And they need Government to do the connecting.
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    unoins are a necessary evil! they are run to much like bussiness. more members more money and carp for the dues payer. fighting for illegals in the workforce? but they are needed. yes they spened to much money in polotics but nothing compaired to big bussiness! in the public sector they have got to much for retirement benifits. 6 figures? but gov never put the money in the plan to pay for it. but teachers still git paid crap but try to get rid of a bad one!

    5 day work wk. over time. heath benifits. work place safety. not getting the ax becuase the new manager do not like you. or can get someone for nothing to do your job now.


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    I agree with Ian.

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    I agree with Ian. Wait. Which one? Both.

    Just to add that women in the workplace really needs the unions. We get taken advantage of, made to use mens restrooms, and get ******ly harassed at times by bosses. I have always made it a practice since I was ******ly harassed once to have a tape recorder in my pocket or even sometimes, I place it on the desk, when I am called up on something for whatever reason. It doesn't matter to me if my boss is a male or female, ****** harrassment can by either gender. The same for a man. Really. If they object to my small tape recording then we don't talk.

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    One thing is for sure. Thomas Jefferson's opening to the Declaration of Independence has not been honored. Since clearly "All men are not created equal".

    Men were not created equal then, and they are not now.

    At least not in America.
    For example, try being born to a mom with no health insurance and see how "equal" you feel compared to the guy in the crib next to you whose mom paid his dues.
    All men are created equal at birth, so TJ was correct. Its the pride and predjudices of demented adults that attack a childs potential from about age 5 onward that bring him down.

    And women in America are not dropping kids in the street because the hospital was closed to them. But when the mom with state health care spends her income on cigarettes and crack cocaine, the kid doesnt get any donald duck comics read to him at night.

    Read this post to see all the Socialist help programs in America that no one uses, and exist just to waste money on the union gov. workers:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...tive-programs/
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    I was working at a Head Start years ago, and when I had started a little boy, age 5, came running up to me and threw his arms about my legs. He immediately bonded with me, and I guess it was because I had looked like someone who was once nice to him. His name was Louis. I called him, Little Louie. My youngest was his age at the time. That day he showed me his "new" shoes" which consisted of barely, having soles, and they flapped in the front. Next day, I came in with shoes, clothes, you name it. After enough of time had gone by, the bus driver who picked him up in the mornings, told me he was always hanging out of the window and no one was around with him. I did some work and found out his mom made her living walking the streets. Well, she didn't want him, but I did. So did my husband. After some time, we got to know her and she agreed to let us adopt him. Then, at the last moment she decided not to.

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    These poor mothers need help. Not the full weight of your American economic abuse.

    Give them generous social payments.

    Provide social worker visits.

    Provide subsidized housing and utilities.

    Else feel the wrath of their angry kids when they grow up.

    The choice is yours.

    Pay now. Or pay more later.

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    it is not the uions that keep bad programs running. it is the heads of these programs and poloticans. the workers are needed its the upper managmet that needs to be downsized. in my county we have cloes to 40 school districes. they all give pink slips to the teachers. thou none of them have combined to get rid of the 6 figure supperatendance and there staff

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    Your proposal does nothing except provide a continuous incentive to remain poor, uninsured and pregnant. My vote is for community college scholarships geared towards vocational training. If you are able bodied, are offered one, and decline your benefits should be stopped in 30 days.

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    not everyone is able to work.mental illness pysical diabilites ect. or run thier own business. yes if your able to work and provide for yourself you should. but big bussiness makes it next to ipposible. the coast of living has gone up much faster than wages. less money for schools. leave it to beaver usa is gone both mom and dad work. if their lucky one of there jobs has heath ins. go to work for wal mart and they tell you how to govt benifits? the working poor. while ceos get 9 diget pay? the free press is gone. its mostly cotrolled by big bussiness. avertizing$ law suits the pepole on their board is also on the board of the media. fox news is just a arm of the far far far right. they have divided by getting us to think only of whats best for me now! than what best for us all in the future!!! the rihgt to life cowd is all conserned about the baby tills its born then its on is own. maybe it can get a job to pay for perschool?

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