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Ian Gills

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I agree it is caring what matters.

But it is also self-interest. We all need to realise that falling on bad luck from time-to-time is part of the human condition.

It is not "lazy" to need a little bit of help from the Government every now and again, whether it be chronic illness, job loss or a childhood deep in poverty.

It is not "bad" to help one's neighbor through higher taxes or Government help.

People can be free and they can be better off with a bigger Government.

Forget Reagan and stop blaming Government for your woes. He liked to scapegoat Government didn't he for the problems he could not solve?

You see Government is only trying to help.

Let it into your life.

Let it protect you. Let it nurture you. Let it grow.

You will all get your tax dollars back when it is your time to suffer. And most of us will suffer in the time we have here on this Earth.

In short, no man is an island. Americans are not isolated from one another, but are interconnected. And they need Government to do the connecting.
 
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unoins are a necessary evil! they are run to much like bussiness. more members more money and carp for the dues payer. fighting for illegals in the workforce? but they are needed. yes they spened to much money in polotics but nothing compaired to big bussiness! in the public sector they have got to much for retirement benifits. 6 figures? but gov never put the money in the plan to pay for it. but teachers still git paid crap but try to get rid of a bad one!

5 day work wk. over time. heath benifits. work place safety. not getting the ax becuase the new manager do not like you. or can get someone for nothing to do your job now.

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I agree with Ian. Wait. Which one? :) Both.

Just to add that women in the workplace really needs the unions. We get taken advantage of, made to use mens restrooms, and get ******ly harassed at times by bosses. I have always made it a practice since I was ******ly harassed once to have a tape recorder in my pocket or even sometimes, I place it on the desk, when I am called up on something for whatever reason. It doesn't matter to me if my boss is a male or female, ****** harrassment can by either gender. The same for a man. Really. If they object to my small tape recording then we don't talk.
 

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One thing is for sure. Thomas Jefferson's opening to the Declaration of Independence has not been honored. Since clearly "All men are not created equal".

Men were not created equal then, and they are not now.

At least not in America.
For example, try being born to a mom with no health insurance and see how "equal" you feel compared to the guy in the crib next to you whose mom paid his dues.

All men are created equal at birth, so TJ was correct. Its the pride and predjudices of demented adults that attack a childs potential from about age 5 onward that bring him down.

And women in America are not dropping kids in the street because the hospital was closed to them. But when the mom with state health care spends her income on cigarettes and crack cocaine, the kid doesnt get any donald duck comics read to him at night.

Read this post to see all the Socialist help programs in America that no one uses, and exist just to waste money on the union gov. workers:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eport-identifies-dozens-duplicative-programs/
 
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I was working at a Head Start years ago, and when I had started a little boy, age 5, came running up to me and threw his arms about my legs. He immediately bonded with me, and I guess it was because I had looked like someone who was once nice to him. His name was Louis. I called him, Little Louie. My youngest was his age at the time. That day he showed me his "new" shoes" which consisted of barely, having soles, and they flapped in the front. Next day, I came in with shoes, clothes, you name it. After enough of time had gone by, the bus driver who picked him up in the mornings, told me he was always hanging out of the window and no one was around with him. I did some work and found out his mom made her living walking the streets. Well, she didn't want him, but I did. So did my husband. After some time, we got to know her and she agreed to let us adopt him. Then, at the last moment she decided not to.
 

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These poor mothers need help. Not the full weight of your American economic abuse.

Give them generous social payments.

Provide social worker visits.

Provide subsidized housing and utilities.

Else feel the wrath of their angry kids when they grow up.

The choice is yours.

Pay now. Or pay more later.
 

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it is not the uions that keep bad programs running. it is the heads of these programs and poloticans. the workers are needed its the upper managmet that needs to be downsized. in my county we have cloes to 40 school districes. they all give pink slips to the teachers. thou none of them have combined to get rid of the 6 figure supperatendance and there staff
 

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Your proposal does nothing except provide a continuous incentive to remain poor, uninsured and pregnant. My vote is for community college scholarships geared towards vocational training. If you are able bodied, are offered one, and decline your benefits should be stopped in 30 days.
 

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not everyone is able to work.mental illness pysical diabilites ect. or run thier own business. yes if your able to work and provide for yourself you should. but big bussiness makes it next to ipposible. the coast of living has gone up much faster than wages. less money for schools. leave it to beaver usa is gone both mom and dad work. if their lucky one of there jobs has heath ins. go to work for wal mart and they tell you how to govt benifits? the working poor. while ceos get 9 diget pay? the free press is gone. its mostly cotrolled by big bussiness. avertizing$ law suits the pepole on their board is also on the board of the media. fox news is just a arm of the far far far right. they have divided by getting us to think only of whats best for me now! than what best for us all in the future!!! the rihgt to life cowd is all conserned about the baby tills its born then its on is own. maybe it can get a job to pay for perschool?
 

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I agree with Ian. Why are Americans so distrustful of each other?

People want to work. They do not want to be poor. They want the dignity of earning their own living.

But they may also need a little bit of help from the Government from time-to-time.

Why does everyone in the United States think that everyone else is out to milk the system?
 
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People are not so much distrustful of each here other, most are just ignorant to each other.

Like for instance, you talk about physical disabilities? Well, a few years back I had a Picc Line in my arm. Clearly visible since it was summer. For those who do not know what a picc line is, it is an IV that ran from my heart through the main vein in my neck to the outside of my arm. Throught the opening of the skin on the outside, dangles a very purty plastic tube so, a connection can be made to the pole which holds whatever, you need dripped. It is another way of making a person a vein. My husband had dropped me off at the door of the market and I was holding my arm to my side when, an older man, about 40 years older than me, slammed the door on my arm, knocking out the tube and blood was everywhere. I asked him, " why did you do that?" He said, " you didn't hold the door for me and I am old."

Today, I had to have the stitches and staples taken out, all 10.5 inches of them. Well, I had to cancel 2 appt recently to do this due to 1. A major snow storm 2. More recent an ice storm. This woman in the office has never much liked me, I cannot imagine why, since I am nice to her. But, today, here I sit to hear her tell me that she drives in any weather, yet, from the opposite direction of where the storms was at. I said to her, " you ever have an accident?" Of course she never did, and when I informed her of mine, she said, " well, you just got to get back up on that horse." I informed her, that even horses won't walk on ice. And, reminded her, that 5 diagnoses of cancer shows that horse is worn out but, I still get on that poor thing. Then, she had to see the incision and grabbed my head & hair in such a fashion I yelped and pushed her hand away, telling her it still feels like someone hit me in the back of my head with a baseball bat and to be gentle. She is just ignorant.

I work for a woman who wins prizes at being ignorant. She tells you, " I don't want to be nice." Yeah, I noticed...

Oh, Ian, hang around the USA and you will see, we are not distrustful as much as just ignorant. And, it is not the same as manners, like saying, thank you or please. The words are spoken through actions.

I did hear a couple of words today that did sting. The surgeon asked what the oncologist told me. So, I said, this and that. When I asked him, his opinion of the report, he said, " I don't care." You don't care? He said, " I don't care." He said, all he cared about was that it was not lymphoma. When I asked what it was though, he said, " I don't care."

So, there sat this pathetic little person with a really bad haircut having a really bad hairday, and no one cared. That my friend, is America.

And, to add the govn into the picture is like adding insult to injury.

I should add, that after a few moments while looking at this man who wears the white jacket and has all the knowledge, I said, to him on my behalf, " you know, no one knows what it is like when you get a major illness, no one knows how hard it is to be a person like me."

With that, he looked at me sheepishly, and said, " okay, Cookie, I will see you in 3 or 4 years." Which I added, " 30."
 
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Thank you Ian. I wanted to express to the other Ian, that distrust and being ignorant are 2 different things here. I am old enough to remember a much kinder caring world. It wasn't perfect and it surely, wasn't ever like the old tv shows but, it was better in regards to kindness. This is a loss. I am able to see this loss in our country. I see it in all walks of professions and all ages of people. I don't know how this happened or why it it happened, but it crept into our society like a cancer itself. And, like cancer it is going to be hard to get rid of even if possible. I notice it but I wonder how many others see this occurance, like Ian, I think, he sees it as a sense of distrust. I wish it was that easy. Maybe things in a weird way has been too easy here in the US. And, like discipling a child a contemp sets in. That would make them be accountable... accountable for their actions.

Life maybe hasn't been easy for most people but compare to the harshness of today, it might be seen that way. How funny it is but no one wants, really wants change.

There is a wave of change going across the US, it has been for years. Those who realize it and roll with it are fine, those who have not been aware of it, cannot. And, it will have adverse reactions. 1. The kindness towards other will be slim to none 2. The attitude of the people will change and like playing dominoes that will be the mood of the country.

You can't put the whole country on anti-depressants like fluoride in the water, although I would like to add it to a few people's coffee I know, lol; my fear is, I may never live long enough, and I don't mean because of my health issues, but because this mood of the country will take generations to play itself out. So, am I talking great-grandchildren will inherit this? You bet.

Will people now continue on not caring about their fellowman? Will an old man slam a door on someone, (who when I was a child, would never had slammed a door on someone who clearly, was dealing with something and needed the help) do it yet, today and in the future? Age over physical problem? I am afraid, yes. I think, the much older generation of today are very lost. And, in some ways so rightfully, so. Here, they were brought up to respect their elders and now, that they are old, see they are not getting it. They express it by actions which are much less than kind. This is the generation whereas, in our country real estate was booming and most made a nice bundle in their homes, had pensions, had savings plans which did nothing but increase through the years, things looked stable for them, and now, things are not stable and lost stuff due to maybe, alittle bit of bad judgement, bad planning, bad luck, and maybe, even alittle bit of greed. Yet, instead of being appreciative for all good fortunes and good times, others may never see in their lifetime, they are angry. They will say and believe things like, " I worked all my life and this is what I get!" They will not see that others have worked also, maybe, just as hard, and didn't get one-half the results they did. Anger is a bad thing for it speads to those around you; be happy, for what you had, be happy for being able to work hard to get what you got or had. If it bothers you that your shoes are worn out and you can't afford new ones, just stop and think, about the person who has no reason to buy shoes, for he has no feet. One person at a time, one attitude at a time, can change the mood of this country and your life.

People in the age bracket of the late 30's to 40's, have developed a chip on their shoulder, they have developed a cocky attitude and this is being passed on to their children. Their attitude is such as, they were promised a rose garden and got a whole bunch of thorns. I see this generation as the last real spoiled children syndrome. This is the generation that you can't teach because they know everything.

How often do you remember as a child, your parent teaching you to be kind. Manners and kindness can be confused. It is teaching kindness to open a door for someone, or pick up something someone dropped, an action... How often do you see it today?

You can teach an ape to say in sign language, " thank you" but, can you teach him kindness? Can you teach him an action which comes from a feeling heart with regards, to others? To think, only of others?

How often do you hear ignorant things coming out of someone's mouth and you stare in disbelief that someone actually, said that to you? That is because of the anger people are feeling in our country. Anyone and everyone become their pressure relief valve.

It is not distrust, it is everything but. It is anger because things are changing, and maybe, some not for the good, higher prices in everything. Having to work harder to save a dime, to buy gas, education, health, everything in life. Yet, the answer is not in the govn dictating our lives; the answer lies within, each and everyone of us. To do our part to make the changes positive ones, not for us, but for our generations to come. We need to care.

Boy, do we need to care.
 
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I agree with Cookie. I am a strong supporter of programs which provide assistance to improve a person's condition. Subsidized higher education, Habitat for Humanity, etc are all examples of programs which require people to contribute to their own improvement and which should be supported. However, there are too many government programs, i.e. Section 8 housing, which provide an incentive for people to stay single and poor, have children, and not improve their condition. These, types of programs, in my opinion, need to have time limits put on them. But that does not mean that I do not care. Think tough love and review Redwood's real life examples which he posted. And also remember that every dollar spent on government employees who administer the program is a dollar taken away from the people who could benefit from the program.

I also agre with Ian the Brit who believes that we should do more for university education. Before we simply increase funding, however, we should scrutinize the way money is currently being spent. For example, the local state university here pays its football coach about 4 million dollars per year. Couldn't some of the money generated by athletics be applied to academics? And this university's art museum many years ago was given a painting by Jackson Pollack which is now worth somewhere between 150 and 200 million dollars. Think how many scholarships could be provided at the local community college to educate electricians, plumbers, dental hygenists, teachers, cops, etc if this painting was sold and the money invested. Would that not be better than having a painting which looks strikingly like cat puke? And don't get me started on the number of highly paid administrators that are employed at the university.
 

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i have Dysgraphia so bear with me. yes charites are great i'll give money to a homeless program but not to the person on the cornor. a time limit is not the answer its arbatary its the person you have to consider. what about the ones that first got the axe in the ressetion. times up but corps still are not hiring to bad for you. guotes like "the top 10% pay 50% of taxes so there taxes are to high" but they controll 95% of the money. tricle down ecomomis do not work. billoin dollar corps that pay close to nothing on taxxes? advertise we give ?% to charities while are schools get cut. yes thigs need to change. but getting rid of govt is not the answer. put more money in the class rooms. longer sohool year and days and better lunch progarms. to impove the future. school vochures? yea that and 10K+ will get your kid in a good school. probily run by the likes Bernie Ebbers
 

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These poor mothers need help. Not the full weight of your American economic abuse.

Give them generous social payments.

Provide social worker visits.

Provide subsidized housing and utilities.

Else feel the wrath of their angry kids when they grow up.

The choice is yours.

Pay now. Or pay more later.

That IS available to them in abundance. There are even transportation assistance programs.

But mom is watching the home shopping channel and the kids are on satellite #2 and #3 watching the 'chain saw massacre' movies.

The car sits idle as it blew a rod because mom didnt know it took oil, and that tires need air.

Dad is rapping on the street with malt liquor, and hasnt been home in a year.

I would like you to extract a happy, balanced child from that morass. You would have to start building orphanages again and removing the kids from the monsters.

Paying now, paying later and building bigger prisons.

Here is my kids playground. Bought this remote mountain years ago by working like the proverbial horse and growing my own food. Anyone instilled with a hard work ethic can still do it. But your social programs provide an incentive to hold down a sofa.

Give me a 2 year old from the inner city that does not have fetal alcohol syndrome, and I'll raise him up as god intended.

And give me a flock of those 18 year old rappers at 6$ an hour, and I'll provide the food, chainsaws and shovels to teach them the good feeling of hard work. Lots of dead trees left after the fire. And they can run 6"pipe for my hydro project.

Might have an issue setting my 8" ballvalve - the heaviest thing they ever carried were t.v's from the wallymart during the last riots.
 

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Your only hope is a WPA type program that collected all the unemployed kids and had them live in the forest and perform all the needed work on trails and bridges and railings and small public works projects. And cutting the brush along the road.

And mommy dearest gets bussed to pick up trash on the parkway, the infants go to daycare, and she gets to work off her stamps and rent payments.

Now you are creating a work ethic that may provide results. No cell phones allowed.

Why feed a healthy chicken that lays no eggs?
 

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yeah there is something in what you say. theaching hard work and get away form the tube. 6$ hr? does that have healt ins. a 401K for retirement wrk comp...? are you really trying to help or just get cheep labor. basicaly something for next to nothing just like walmart. and whos going to hire the other 5000+ kids part of the trouble is where the jobs are you cannot live on the wages. and where the rents cheap theres no jobs. 10$hr -rent, heath ins, daycare,food clothing,ect your spending more than you earn wpa? what about high seed rail,masstransit, fixxing the roads, honnest inspections of pipe lines and other infastructure and repairing those? with real pay and bennifts
 
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