I Don't Understand Why The Brits Think the "Crown Jewels" are such a BIG DEAL
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Ballvalve
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Again, you never paid up. You may have missed that the Japs were allied to the Germans.
Hey Ian, where exactly was England and France when Germany invaded Poland? They were bound by their word and treaty to protect them. Blood on your hands by not keeping your word when it could have stopped the future slaughter of the 50 million. And why did the English not ABSOLUTELY disarm Germany after the first world war?
"Well, ol' chap, what do you make of the bloody huns killing off the Polish?" .... " Well, mate, its a bit far for us to travel, and the huns blood thirst might as well be sated on the Jews and slavs raaaather then we civilized blokes"..... "Aye matey, lets wait for those bloodthirsty savages from our old colony to come in take the bull by the horns" .... "And another Guiness barkeep"....
If it wasnt for our Detroit and Kenosha airplane engines, and our western phosphate mines, you would have been dropping lamb turds and coal on the Germans by kite.
Those items were shipped EARLY, by those ships you never paid up for.
Mom always wondered why 7 of her high school friends ended up in the tide of Omaha beach. I suppose so that the English could survive, come here and work and have the right to insult us.
We should have just taken on a few more German Jewish scientists, made the A-bomb earlier, and let Germany have England for a bit. That would have been a good lesson for you. Then we could have vaporized the Germans and had the pleasure of a surrender without leaving home for your stupid war.
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Ian, no place has truly equal opportunity or equal treatment. But work and education is the best remedy for overcoming disadvantage, not governmental programs. For example, look at the current unemployment statistics for college graduates vs noncollege graduates. And college, especially community colleges, remains accessible. You are right that most Americans will never be "rich" as you define the term ($250k yearly income). But in many areas of this country you can be very comfortable by being one-third "rich" (as you define it) and I believe it far easier to improve your economic position to such a level in this country than elsewhere.
What you fail to understand is the simple fact, very simple fact, that if we didn't stop being bombed here, your country and others would had been next at some point. It would had spread faster than any cancer.
One after another. Until, it reached your hometown.
Period.
One after another. Until, it reached your hometown.
Period.
I'm not sure it is LOTW.
It is easy to get a Government-paid education elsewhere and come here to find well-paid work.
I'd hate to be born into a poor family here though and try to make my way up. Born poor stays poor in America.
Cookie. The Americans enter wars to protect their own interests. Not the interests of others. They never have.
And who can blame them.
It is easy to get a Government-paid education elsewhere and come here to find well-paid work.
I'd hate to be born into a poor family here though and try to make my way up. Born poor stays poor in America.
Cookie. The Americans enter wars to protect their own interests. Not the interests of others. They never have.
And who can blame them.
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This is where you are wrong. On both accounts. Education is available to the bone poor. There are state grants, pell grants, stanley power grants, low interest tuition, extended after graduation loans, etc. Really? There is no reason that money is the issue.
If you really want to save money, do a college fund when your kids are small, join UPROMISE, the best thing since indoor plumbing. 500 a year goes toward both my kids loans, to sallie mae and AES. Comes right off their loans monthly. And what did I need to do to get it? Buy keebler cookies... yes, cookies, lol, do a survey, answer what kind of TP i like to use, if I am going to buy a new car, yeah right, I tell them a Lexus.
My own dad wouldn't fill out the paperwork for me, no handouts, he considered anything like a grant, a handout. So, I did the usual thing. I worked. I paid my own way. I went all the way Ian.
Infact, my friend, if you are lower income you get more assistance.
Now, about the sneak attack, we kept you guys from getting sneaked attacked at a later date. You may not see it my way, but, that ball was going to keep rolling and rolling and rolling... I would rather fight cancer than communism.
If you really want to save money, do a college fund when your kids are small, join UPROMISE, the best thing since indoor plumbing. 500 a year goes toward both my kids loans, to sallie mae and AES. Comes right off their loans monthly. And what did I need to do to get it? Buy keebler cookies... yes, cookies, lol, do a survey, answer what kind of TP i like to use, if I am going to buy a new car, yeah right, I tell them a Lexus.
My own dad wouldn't fill out the paperwork for me, no handouts, he considered anything like a grant, a handout. So, I did the usual thing. I worked. I paid my own way. I went all the way Ian.
Infact, my friend, if you are lower income you get more assistance.
Now, about the sneak attack, we kept you guys from getting sneaked attacked at a later date. You may not see it my way, but, that ball was going to keep rolling and rolling and rolling... I would rather fight cancer than communism.
Good points Cookie.
But I still think it is disgusting that people from poor backgrounds have to skimp and save to pay for their kids to go to college.
It's just dumb. Poor kids with a poor education don't grow up to be very good taxpayers. So it pays to invest in kids. And taxpayers should foot the bill.
We need to change the mindset here. You are entitled to handouts because you pay taxes. You are entitled to help because you have a vote.
Regarding the Cold War, we held our own. With nuclear weapons there was no protecting to be done, regardless of American involvement. Mutually Assured Destruction did the rest.
That's why these crazy countries with the bomb are such a worry.
Thank God we have Obama. He's better than Reagan. But perhaps not a Kennedy. Now that really was an American *star*. If only...
But I still think it is disgusting that people from poor backgrounds have to skimp and save to pay for their kids to go to college.
It's just dumb. Poor kids with a poor education don't grow up to be very good taxpayers. So it pays to invest in kids. And taxpayers should foot the bill.
We need to change the mindset here. You are entitled to handouts because you pay taxes. You are entitled to help because you have a vote.
Regarding the Cold War, we held our own. With nuclear weapons there was no protecting to be done, regardless of American involvement. Mutually Assured Destruction did the rest.
That's why these crazy countries with the bomb are such a worry.
Thank God we have Obama. He's better than Reagan. But perhaps not a Kennedy. Now that really was an American *star*. If only...
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Dang! is this you Ian? lol. You got a twin... 
I know I got good points, but, I never thought I would hear you say it! I love it. See, all you men got to realize is that women are always right and then, it is a much better world. Ask my sons. By the way, I got these really great kids.
I know I got good points, but, I never thought I would hear you say it! I love it. See, all you men got to realize is that women are always right and then, it is a much better world. Ask my sons. By the way, I got these really great kids.
Ballvalve
General Engineering Contractor
Altruism is almost unknown in nature. Ann Ryand had it right. But the fact remains that the Brits and French broke their treaty to Poland, and could have stopped Hitler when it was fresh.
Why should we have jumped in and protected you pussy cats that sated Hitler? The English slurrped beers while Poland and Czechoslovakia burned.
Your Dunkirk should have come toward France and you all together should have had YOUR blitzkreig on Germany while he was building his death camps. The French and English slaughtered the Polish and the Jews by THEIR wait.
It was the English pause to fight that slaughtered those 50 million.
Of course I wonder where the hell we would put them all today if the war would not have happened.
Germanys attack on Poland was an attack on the UK. You did nothing.
When Americans are attacked, they take the fight ANYWHERE, then beg the chameleons of europe to send a few military police.
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OK, OK. We were too slow Ballvalve.
But Americans are too fast. You shoot first and ask questions later. Your police are a case in point.
So was Iraq (no weapons found) and look at what that has caused.
A lot of anti-American sentiment in countries upon which you are very economically dependent. Not to mention the cost of those wars and the large number of badly trained, but brave and well-equipped young servicemen you have lost. And the well-trained British servicemen we have lost.
Another mess caused by Bush.
The way out is as follows. Obama needs to keep chilled and reach out to the Muslim world, especially Pakistan right now.
And we need to start taxing the heck out of gas. That would encourage the development of green energies, lead to fewer greenhouse gas emissions, create American jobs and reduce your dependence on some of the most shakey parts of the world that you created by being too quick to shoot. By the way, I think I just answered why there are so many Americans here, when so few came over on the boat - too quick to shoot again, no doubt.
You just need to pay a little bit more at the pump to fuel the car or van that you own which is too big anyway.
LOTW, I like your posts. They are very clear. And I think you are on to something. I have followed some incentives with my choices. But honor has no part in it. And I am very surprised to hear an American refer to it. There is very little honor in America. It is all about capitalism. Sink or swim. Dog eat dog. An America with honor would leave no child behind. It would leave no person ill from not being able to afford healthcare. It would house the homeless. And provide generous benefits to the long-term unemployed. Honor lies in looking after those less fortunate than yourselves. And charity should start at home. I do not see that here. Yet...
But honor can be restored with a little bit more tax and a lot more entitlements.
But Americans are too fast. You shoot first and ask questions later. Your police are a case in point.
So was Iraq (no weapons found) and look at what that has caused.
A lot of anti-American sentiment in countries upon which you are very economically dependent. Not to mention the cost of those wars and the large number of badly trained, but brave and well-equipped young servicemen you have lost. And the well-trained British servicemen we have lost.
Another mess caused by Bush.
The way out is as follows. Obama needs to keep chilled and reach out to the Muslim world, especially Pakistan right now.
And we need to start taxing the heck out of gas. That would encourage the development of green energies, lead to fewer greenhouse gas emissions, create American jobs and reduce your dependence on some of the most shakey parts of the world that you created by being too quick to shoot. By the way, I think I just answered why there are so many Americans here, when so few came over on the boat - too quick to shoot again, no doubt.
You just need to pay a little bit more at the pump to fuel the car or van that you own which is too big anyway.
LOTW, I like your posts. They are very clear. And I think you are on to something. I have followed some incentives with my choices. But honor has no part in it. And I am very surprised to hear an American refer to it. There is very little honor in America. It is all about capitalism. Sink or swim. Dog eat dog. An America with honor would leave no child behind. It would leave no person ill from not being able to afford healthcare. It would house the homeless. And provide generous benefits to the long-term unemployed. Honor lies in looking after those less fortunate than yourselves. And charity should start at home. I do not see that here. Yet...
But honor can be restored with a little bit more tax and a lot more entitlements.
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It's difficult to do that Cookie. The longer I live, the more I realize that we all face challenges at some time in our lives. Yours might be now or already happened. I've had mine and there are certainly more to come.
So to dwell on other's sorrow is not the answer. We must enjoy the peace we each have until the next trouble in our own lives strikes us.
The Government, however, is the answer. This is the institution that must step in when life hits each of us with an unexpected blow.
But in America, the Government sits idly by while the poor fall sick and the bright kids, who lost their father, can't afford to go to school.
It is not the responsibility of the individual to look after themselves. Nor that of their neighbor. Nor that of the church or charity. But the responsibility of society and the taxpayer.
Big Government is Best.
So to dwell on other's sorrow is not the answer. We must enjoy the peace we each have until the next trouble in our own lives strikes us.
The Government, however, is the answer. This is the institution that must step in when life hits each of us with an unexpected blow.
But in America, the Government sits idly by while the poor fall sick and the bright kids, who lost their father, can't afford to go to school.
It is not the responsibility of the individual to look after themselves. Nor that of their neighbor. Nor that of the church or charity. But the responsibility of society and the taxpayer.
Big Government is Best.
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That's bullshit.
You can say supportive words, it doesn't raise taxes either.
Cut the spending and lower the taxes, redo the tax schedule, there you go, Ian. That is a perfect solution.
and, hey when something good happens for someone, say, " good for you!"
Free, that is free. To care is free, no matter your challenges in life. I care, maybe, someday I won't, and be just like the majority of the people here.
You can say supportive words, it doesn't raise taxes either.
Cut the spending and lower the taxes, redo the tax schedule, there you go, Ian. That is a perfect solution.
and, hey when something good happens for someone, say, " good for you!"
Free, that is free. To care is free, no matter your challenges in life. I care, maybe, someday I won't, and be just like the majority of the people here.
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Paying lip service is the real BS Cookie.
If you really care, you must put your money where your mouth is.
That can mean charity, church or (as I prefer) taxes.
Why are people in this country so opposed to putting their hand in their pocket to help others through the Government system?
I don't want to hear Americans say they are sorry for the poor and the sick. I want to see them doing something about it.
If you really care, you must put your money where your mouth is.
That can mean charity, church or (as I prefer) taxes.
Why are people in this country so opposed to putting their hand in their pocket to help others through the Government system?
I don't want to hear Americans say they are sorry for the poor and the sick. I want to see them doing something about it.
You have no idea what I have done with my life and the good I have done for others. I just don't need others to pat me on my back. Why is it what you consider the working (poor) middleclass you see as not happy people; yet, the seemingly, what you can call rich, are really miserable and full of complaints.
Again, your socialism sucks. Our country provides so much opportunity for all, that you and others flock to the USA to grab at it.
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)
Again, your socialism sucks. Our country provides so much opportunity for all, that you and others flock to the USA to grab at it.
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)
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Quote "But honor can be restored with a little bit more tax and a lot more entitlements.[/QUOTE]
The problem Ian, is that you are more American than most Americans and won't admit it. Americans grumble greatly about their taxes, try to get them reduced to as little as possible, and then pay them, complaining all the while.
Your solution is to reduce your taxes to our level and then hold up Great Britain's entitlement system (which you refuse to pay for) as an example for us to follow. The concept of honor comes into play because some people find hypocrisy in your solution.
Perhaps the reason the Queen always looks so grumpy is because her subjects are taking advantage of her.
The problem Ian, is that you are more American than most Americans and won't admit it. Americans grumble greatly about their taxes, try to get them reduced to as little as possible, and then pay them, complaining all the while.
Your solution is to reduce your taxes to our level and then hold up Great Britain's entitlement system (which you refuse to pay for) as an example for us to follow. The concept of honor comes into play because some people find hypocrisy in your solution.
Perhaps the reason the Queen always looks so grumpy is because her subjects are taking advantage of her.
Pipehacker
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The problem Ian, is that you are more American than most Americans and won't admit it. Americans grumble greatly about their taxes, try to get them reduced to as little as possible, and then pay them, complaining all the while.
Your solution is to reduce your taxes to our level and then hold up Great Britain's entitlement system (which you refuse to pay for) as an example for us to follow. The concept of honor comes into play because some people find hypocrisy in your solution.
Perhaps the reason the Queen always looks so grumpy is because her subjects are taking advantage of her.[/QUOTE]
Ballvalve
General Engineering Contractor
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave."
Quite a few Americans have been gifted with the understanding of honor. I would say the District of Columbia would rather qualify as generally bereft of the concept.
Quite a few Americans have been gifted with the understanding of honor. I would say the District of Columbia would rather qualify as generally bereft of the concept.
