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    How is wanting a little bit of Government help for education, healthcare and social safety nets confused?

    This is not the same thing as fixing everyone's wage, dividing everything up equal and all the other problems associated with Communist Russia.

    Yet all you guys see is RED!

    There is a middle way. And it is sweet America. Sweet.

    So it is you that is confused Cookie. And all those that follow you.

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    Why do you attack us? When we freely allow you in our country to work and to live, and to share our culture and our society. Yet, all we hear are complaints. That is being a bad guest while we are being a good host.

    You remind me of a parent who corrects a child, then, hands him a cookie. You correct our way of life, our beliefs, then, you say, how much you like us.

    Keep your cookie.

    We do not want more taxes, excessive taxes, we do not want more govn control, we do not want socialism; we are quite content, and given the size of our great nation, given the problems world-wide, we are doing pretty well. And, as time grows on, so will we, in our way. Not yours. No growth is to decay. And, we always grow...


    To note: You must realize that you have a better chance of selling snowballs to Eskimos than me to Socialism.
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    Ian, I would be interested in knowing your definition of "rich." Also, America is a very generous country, but in my opinion we try to distinguish between deserving and undeserving. If you are attempting to work and improve yourself you will have help. If you are able-bodied and are not trying to advance yourself you will have much less sympathy and help. I do agree with you on the healthcare issue and favor expanded enrollment in a governmental plan which appears to me to be the only way to have enough clout to ratchet down out of control medical costs. Do we in America have the delusion of becoming "rich?" It depends what you mean by "rich." In my opinion no country in the world is a better place in which to acquire a home, raise a family, and establish basic financial security. But you need to be willing to work as it will not be handed to you. Nor should it be. Perhaps your decision to come and work and live in America is the best proof of that.

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    Ian, looks like the USA lost a few more soldiers than the brits. And I believe you lost only .6% of the population. We lost .32% of total population.

    Poland lost 16%, and I think it was 30% for Yugoslavia. Whats most odd is the small losses from Germany.

    have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

    As to your love of Japanese auto's, they beat the Germans with 20 MILLION victims dead of war crimes.

    Pay back Detroit for not slaughtering the helpless.
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    Rich should be defined as anyone earning over US$250,000 per year.

    And those earning over US$1 million should be targeted for extra taxes.

    In my opinion no country in the world is a better place in which to acquire a home, raise a family, and establish basic financial security. But you need to be willing to work as it will not be handed to you. Nor should it be. Perhaps your decision to come and work and live in America is the best proof of that.
    I agree....mostly. The problem with America is that it's not enough to be wanting to work. You need to have been privileged enough to be born into a family with means to have any chance.

    Poor kids from poor families cannot acquire a good education so the cycle of povery continues. Taxpayer support to poor, bright kids should be available to put them through the system and even send them to Harvard. This would level the playing field and make this society great again.

    It is all about equal opportunities and America is not there yet.

    Most of what is done for the poor here depends on churches and charities and that is simply not enough. Why does a poor kid have to believe in God to get a scholarship to go to a good school? Or join the military?

    Church should get out of the business of Government and it is your duty as taxpayers to ensure it does.

    The Catholic church is the second largest provider or healthcare in this country. Looks fine on paper. Until you try to get an abortion.

    Taxes should pick up the slack. And instead of providing the care the churches should pay taxes to the Government to provide it for them!

    And Ballvalve. Your guys arrived way way late in the war. Less than 400,000 lost their lives (50 million died in Europe). And it was not an act of generosity on your part. Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with the war in Europe. You simply wanted to protect your freedom from the Japanese. Not ours from the Germans. It was the alliance between these that pulled you into our arena.

    All we got from you was a couple of lousy ships that we paid too much for.

    Thanks.
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    Maybe they all think they are big D&^KS

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    And Ballvalve. Your guys arrived way way late in the war. Less than 400,000 lost their lives (50 million died in Europe). And it was not an act of generosity on your part. Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with the war in Europe. You simply wanted to protect your freedom from the Japanese. Not ours from the Germans. It was the alliance between these that pulled you into our arena.

    All we got from you was a couple of lousy ships that we paid too much for.
    Again, you never paid up. You may have missed that the Japs were allied to the Germans.

    Hey Ian, where exactly was England and France when Germany invaded Poland? They were bound by their word and treaty to protect them. Blood on your hands by not keeping your word when it could have stopped the future slaughter of the 50 million. And why did the English not ABSOLUTELY disarm Germany after the first world war?

    "Well, ol' chap, what do you make of the bloody huns killing off the Polish?" .... " Well, mate, its a bit far for us to travel, and the huns blood thirst might as well be sated on the Jews and slavs raaaather then we civilized blokes"..... "Aye matey, lets wait for those bloodthirsty savages from our old colony to come in take the bull by the horns" .... "And another Guiness barkeep"....

    If it wasnt for our Detroit and Kenosha airplane engines, and our western phosphate mines, you would have been dropping lamb turds and coal on the Germans by kite.

    Those items were shipped EARLY, by those ships you never paid up for.

    Mom always wondered why 7 of her high school friends ended up in the tide of Omaha beach. I suppose so that the English could survive, come here and work and have the right to insult us.

    We should have just taken on a few more German Jewish scientists, made the A-bomb earlier, and let Germany have England for a bit. That would have been a good lesson for you. Then we could have vaporized the Germans and had the pleasure of a surrender without leaving home for your stupid war.
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    Have you completely forgotten Pearl Harbor in your romantic version of the War?

    You entered the war not to save our freedom but to protect your own.

    Period.

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    Ian, no place has truly equal opportunity or equal treatment. But work and education is the best remedy for overcoming disadvantage, not governmental programs. For example, look at the current unemployment statistics for college graduates vs noncollege graduates. And college, especially community colleges, remains accessible. You are right that most Americans will never be "rich" as you define the term ($250k yearly income). But in many areas of this country you can be very comfortable by being one-third "rich" (as you define it) and I believe it far easier to improve your economic position to such a level in this country than elsewhere.

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    What you fail to understand is the simple fact, very simple fact, that if we didn't stop being bombed here, your country and others would had been next at some point. It would had spread faster than any cancer.
    One after another. Until, it reached your hometown.

    Period.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    Have you completely forgotten Pearl Harbor in your romantic version of the War?

    You entered the war not to save our freedom but to protect your own.

    Period.

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    I'm not sure it is LOTW.

    It is easy to get a Government-paid education elsewhere and come here to find well-paid work.

    I'd hate to be born into a poor family here though and try to make my way up. Born poor stays poor in America.

    Cookie. The Americans enter wars to protect their own interests. Not the interests of others. They never have.

    And who can blame them.
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    This is where you are wrong. On both accounts. Education is available to the bone poor. There are state grants, pell grants, stanley power grants, low interest tuition, extended after graduation loans, etc. Really? There is no reason that money is the issue.

    If you really want to save money, do a college fund when your kids are small, join UPROMISE, the best thing since indoor plumbing. 500 a year goes toward both my kids loans, to sallie mae and AES. Comes right off their loans monthly. And what did I need to do to get it? Buy keebler cookies... yes, cookies, lol, do a survey, answer what kind of TP i like to use, if I am going to buy a new car, yeah right, I tell them a Lexus.

    My own dad wouldn't fill out the paperwork for me, no handouts, he considered anything like a grant, a handout. So, I did the usual thing. I worked. I paid my own way. I went all the way Ian.

    Infact, my friend, if you are lower income you get more assistance.

    Now, about the sneak attack, we kept you guys from getting sneaked attacked at a later date. You may not see it my way, but, that ball was going to keep rolling and rolling and rolling... I would rather fight cancer than communism.

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    Good points Cookie.

    But I still think it is disgusting that people from poor backgrounds have to skimp and save to pay for their kids to go to college.

    It's just dumb. Poor kids with a poor education don't grow up to be very good taxpayers. So it pays to invest in kids. And taxpayers should foot the bill.

    We need to change the mindset here. You are entitled to handouts because you pay taxes. You are entitled to help because you have a vote.

    Regarding the Cold War, we held our own. With nuclear weapons there was no protecting to be done, regardless of American involvement. Mutually Assured Destruction did the rest.

    That's why these crazy countries with the bomb are such a worry.

    Thank God we have Obama. He's better than Reagan. But perhaps not a Kennedy. Now that really was an American *star*. If only...
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    Dang! is this you Ian? lol. You got a twin... I know I got good points, but, I never thought I would hear you say it! I love it. See, all you men got to realize is that women are always right and then, it is a much better world. Ask my sons. By the way, I got these really great kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    Have you completely forgotten Pearl Harbor in your romantic version of the War?

    You entered the war not to save our freedom but to protect your own.

    Period.
    Altruism is almost unknown in nature. Ann Ryand had it right. But the fact remains that the Brits and French broke their treaty to Poland, and could have stopped Hitler when it was fresh.

    Why should we have jumped in and protected you pussy cats that sated Hitler? The English slurrped beers while Poland and Czechoslovakia burned.

    Your Dunkirk should have come toward France and you all together should have had YOUR blitzkreig on Germany while he was building his death camps. The French and English slaughtered the Polish and the Jews by THEIR wait.

    It was the English pause to fight that slaughtered those 50 million.

    Of course I wonder where the hell we would put them all today if the war would not have happened.

    Germanys attack on Poland was an attack on the UK. You did nothing.

    When Americans are attacked, they take the fight ANYWHERE, then beg the chameleons of europe to send a few military police.
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