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    I guarantee you that if I place my loaded gun on a table with the safety on or off, that as long as nobody pulls the trigger, it will sit there for thousands of years without going off. Guns are not just for personal protection. Our founding fathers felt that gun ownership was another check and balance in our government that allows people to defend themselves against an opressive government. When you take guns out of citizens hands or so regulate them as to no longer be a threat to those in power, you invite wholesale change in government, starting with the introduction of socialist ideals and ending in dictatorship. This is why you almost never see true conservitave republicans backing gun regulation. (well, that and the NRA's influence) Now, if you want to argue the inability of citizens and governments to work toward the common good of man without the threat of violence, that's another issue but at this point in history we are not even close to being there yet. The Swiss require it's citizens to be armed. Have you checked their gun/murder statistics? Another question. Say you live in a particularly dangerous neighborhood. Do you think that neighborhood would stay dangerous if the majority of the law abiding citizens were armed? I have a feeling that the gangs would move on and find safer haven.
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    Its just inbred, you have your wrong driving and that bizarre humour and umbrellas, we have guns and ammo.

    It all started to kill Indians and large animals that eat people. And English Soldiers.

    Birth control and Absolute preservation of farms and wild lands. Build up from now on.

    Welfare benefits that reduce with each additional child born.

    I think English humour and movies kill more Americans than gang shootings annually.
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    The King's Speech is being nominated for 12 Oscars. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with British wit. And from what I can see, most Americans are even going to see it.....and they can't speak the language!

    But back to guns. You do not need them to discipline Governments. You have a vote to do that. Which is far more effective.

    You need to remember that when the Founding Fathers sanctioned gun ownership, they had powder loaded muskets in mind. The best way of dealing with someone who had one of those was to run up to him quick and take it. Or jump side-to-side. They could never hit you.

    So the FF would absolutely not sanction the automatic weapons we have today. They were Americans after all who, each wanting to be King, would have had the safety of their future subjects in mind.

    Besides, all the tear gas being used in Egypt at the moment was made in the USA, so a few guns ain't gonna get you very far against your army.

    Apollo valves and tear gas. That's almost a manufacturing renaissance!

    Shame the English have all the goods ideas and inventions.
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    The Russians sell tear gas much cheaper than the Americans..... Iran would use mustard gas, made right at home.

    Hopefully, the Egyptians ARE using our Apollo valves.

    Take note why we need guns from that situation: The Gov. has the power to kill our internet, cell phones, and now our electricity with the push of a button.

    We'll need guns to shoot each other for food.

    I also suggest shooting at the smart spy meter repeaters with pellet guns as a useful tea party we need badly to encourage.

    And by the way, last I heard, you can buy those muzzle loaders at Cabela's without any license or checks in most states!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballvalve View Post
    And by the way, last I heard, you can buy those muzzle loaders at Cabela's without any license or checks in most states!
    Yea I have a black powder pistol that I've come up with some very effective shot loads in...

    A fully legal 12" sawed off shotgun....

    Imagine that!

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    Imagine when the gang bangers discover they can buy muzzle loaders from Amazon! Then they will buy a 12 gun holster to make up for the single shot capability.

    We can only hope that the frequency of the rap music thumping the windows of their cars in and out 1" will bring on spontaneous discharge.

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    The majority of poor Americans cannot afford guns. It's the middle class that is the problem. And their kids.

    From which most shootings are the result of their guns either being stolen or let off by mistake by a young un'.

    Ban guns. For the safety of your children. Because most middle class Americans have clearly never heard of a gun cabinet. Which is not surprising when many insist on carrying their weapon concealed. Easy pickings.

    And regulate guns. To make firearms less dangerous. Slower, smaller bullets would be a start.

    I like Americans. And I do not like to see them all being shot like animals. At least not by their own doing. If it was the English still doing the shootin' I might be convinced otherwise!
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    Ok Ian, let's ban guns. Now you figure out how to get Americans to willingly surrender guns that in some cases costs a couple of thousand dollars. Oh I have a brilliant Idea. Let's have the government pay them full face value for them. And then let's close down the dozen or so major gun manufacturers that employ a few thousand people and ship product all over the world. They could make gun ownership a felony here and I'd still bet that less than 10% are going to give them up without a fight. Unlike the panzy europeans ( who given the whole hitler, stalin, mussollini thing should know better ) the U.S. is a gun culture. The long rifle and the six gun tamed this wilderness and we ain't giving up just yet.

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    Too bad the Indians did'nt have guns and hand grenades . We would still have grizzly bears in California and free ranging buffalo. And no English, etc. to drain the country dry of resources...

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    Okay back to topic: Need a NEW 12,000$ pump for 150$?

    http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...&convertTo=USD

    More of the billion dollar stainless containers. Sold for 500,000$ and change.

    http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=4013849

    And 12,000$ of culvert for $630$. I bought those, thanks silly government!

    http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=3982043
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    I'm not suggesting a buy-back Tom. Ballvalve would have a field day with that, snapping up all the gun metal for scrap. (He's a hoarder, you see).

    They should simply be made illegal. Americans love rules, and I'm guessing even the most conservative grandad would not be able to sleep at night knowing he was in possession of something that was against the law.

    Look at all the aggravation posters get on here for even hinting they will install a gas water heater without a permit. If guns were made illegal, you can only imagine the outcry against violators. A ban would work.

    Americans are good people you see. So we need to change the rules. No Government buy-outs. Just an amnesty to hand them in at the nearest police station and after that anyone found in possession of a gun will be arrested, since only the bad guys would dream of keeping them.

    As for the gun factories, they'll have to share the same fate as any other. But they could try making weapons for the army, or the police or perhaps just farmers instead. But no longer for a civilian population that is simply too dumb to own them.

    10,000 lives per year would be saved.
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    Boy, do you got to do your homework Ian. Move to an inner city and see which kids has the firepower.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    The majority of poor Americans cannot afford guns. It's the middle class that is the problem. And their kids.

    From which most shootings are the result of their guns either being stolen or let off by mistake by a young un'.

    Ban guns. For the safety of your children. Because most middle class Americans have clearly never heard of a gun cabinet. Which is not surprising when many insist on carrying their weapon concealed. Easy pickings.

    And regulate guns. To make firearms less dangerous. Slower, smaller bullets would be a start.

    I like Americans. And I do not like to see them all being shot like animals. At least not by their own doing. If it was the English still doing the shootin' I might be convinced otherwise!

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    I live in the inner city! Those kids get the guns from rich, middle-aged Americans living the myth of bear hunting and fighting off intruders!

    The guns are stolen.

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    Hunting with a Sat Night Special? I don't think so.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    I live in the inner city! Those kids get the guns from rich, middle-aged Americans living the myth of bear hunting and fighting off intruders!

    The guns are stolen.

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    We need to close the loop hole. We need to make guns safe.

    We need to reduce your rights to save lives.

    You, as a civilian population, are simply not trained to own a gun.

    If you want to use a gun, man up and join the army rather than trying to be a mythical hero.

    Has anyone on here shot a person? If the answer is no, you do not need your gun.

    Lose it.

    If the answer is yes, then you should be arrested.

    Either way, get the guns off the streets and out of your homes.
    Last edited by Ian Gills; 02-02-2011 at 06:22 PM.

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