This is how it's done in England....look no guns

**Ian Gills** · 10-03-2011, 04:38 PM

I think all new handguns should be dropped in the trash.

There is simply no need for them.

Picture added by Terry

**LOTW** · 10-04-2011, 07:21 AM

Ian, if you admire well built American made brass pumps you would enjoy a S&W Model 41.

**Ian Gills** · 10-04-2011, 07:28 AM

Good point.

**BobL43** · 10-04-2011, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ian Gills

I bet none of the people that voted in the poll have ever come to the United States to see the continual blood bath and carnage that is a direct result of the second Amendment and strong pro-gun lobbies such as the NRA.

Every night on my local news someone is being murdered as a result of gun crime.

In most other countries, such news would be national. I hope that puts things into perspective. Americans have just been so numbed by all the pain, suffering and death that is around them that they don't seem to notice any more. Of course they don't really care anyway because they are bought up by their parents to only worry about themselves rather than the suffering of their neighbor. Which is why they hate paying taxes for things like schools and hospitals. Who cares if the neighbor's kid is sick and stupid? Certainly not Americans.

Palin is welcome to keep her gun. But she is out of touch with America. Most of us do not live in Alaska where the bears run wild.

Most of us have jobs in the city to go to. And shops where we buy our food. Poor old Palin has to hunt for hers.

What's your excuse? We need to regulate guns like we regulate electrical panels.

If your name was John, you'd be called Johnny One Note

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhLGsoktDM

**ballvalve** · 10-04-2011, 11:30 AM

Europe and America having about the same murder rate per 100,000, 4.5 and 5.5 - I say move to czech/slovakia - 1.7 and lots of good sausage and wildnerness and slivovitz. And those killings are mostly mafia and drunks in pubs.

Ian can go to South Africa with I think 45 per. Bring your brass M-16. And testes.

**rayh78** · 10-04-2011, 12:33 PM

Not saying our system can be considered anywhere near good.
But, also would not say UK stress free. You have a lot of Doctors going private, so people can have the UK much higher tax rate and still pay. And you can wait a while for needed treatment.
What about when you go into a nursing home? Just like here, you have to first spend most of your life savings before the UK national health will pay for it. You can only have about 5 to 20K in assests. Dont remember the exact amounts.
Also, there is still at least a possibility guns could become popular in the UK after another 20 years or so.
With immigration in the UK in past few years, you also will see more and more gangs and drugs. The criminals will find a way over time to get their hands on guns. With enough money you can get just about anything. That portion of the population is increasing in the UK and you will see more of this.
Past couple of years London has already been seeing the high crime increase. And just like here. The government will sooner or later not be able to support the ever-increasing population on government assistance. And in the UK they even get a lot more benefits. Any country can handle a certain percentage, but there a limit on resources and you there is only so many paying taxes.
Then at least some people will want to defend themselves, and not have only criminals with the guns. Then the debate starts
Still a nice country, if you can ignore the weather of course.

**master plumber mark** · 10-04-2011, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ian Gills

I think all new handguns should be dropped in the trash.

There is simply no need for them.

Picture added by Terry

I will keep my gun Ian, thank you

I went to an extremely bad neighgorhood today to give an estimate.
I did not have warm fuzzy feelings when I got out of the truck , nasty looks from the porches around the home, people milling about on the sidewalks,
so I grabbed my 380 and put it in my pocket....

I went inside and kept an eye on the truck ....
the fellow whom I knew told me that on both sides of his home their had been murders and robberies that had gone down over the past three months.. and he had been broken into twice....

this was mostly a welfare section 8 neighborhood with very freindly people ....
basically your kind of people Ian...... all welfare folks...

when I left the home I waited till the "native population" on the streets and on the porches had dispersed...so their was less chance of a confrontation or anything that might make me have to defend myself.. (the gun only holds 6 rounds)

I dont care to look for trouble and I will avoid it at all cost,

Ian. when you need a gun and dont have one,
you will be singing a very different tune ........

**Ian Gills** · 10-04-2011, 06:14 PM

Unless you are under 5 feet tall Mark there is no need to own a gun.

Surely you can handle yourself?

**ballvalve** · 10-05-2011, 11:38 AM

Recall "Raiders of the lost ark"? the scene where he is fighting some giant arab with a 4' long sword? decided that the pistol was the best way out, no time to fool with losing a arm or head. Best gun statement ever filmed.

When you are surrounded by 6] 300 pounders with 100 pound of gold chains on them and their pants at their knees, in their hood, you will need a 9 or 11 shot 9mm. Happiness is a warm gun, mama. Not a cane.

**LOTW** · 10-05-2011, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ian Gills

I agree. And a good way to lower stress is to have good social safety nets (such as generous unemployment benefits), universal health care and free education.

You'd all be a lot more relaxed with those kind of things. So the rich would pay a little more tax but who really cares? I don't know anyone who is rich anyway. I doubt you do either.

Why does everyone in this country look out for the rich so much when so few people here are wealthy?

Ian, what do you propose we do with Greece, Italy and the other failed European states which have collapsed because no one there wants to work for a living. I propose that we leave their carcasses lie where they are so that we have a constant reminder of what overgenerous social programs can result in.

**master plumber mark** · 10-05-2011, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Ian Gills

Unless you are under 5 feet tall Mark there is no need to own a gun.

Surely you can handle yourself?

Ian ...who said that they will fight fair like
they do in shitty old England???

I wish I was as tough as you ,
but I have had the shit beat out
of me before when I was younger .....
and I wont let it ever happen again...

I probably could not survive the same attack at
my present age and recover as quickly as
I did when I was in my late 20s..

broken ribs are fun Ian, you ought to try a few
on to see how you like laughing with them....

IAN you do know what it means to have the shit
beat out of you..... correct...??? basically you are so beat up
that the next morning you literally shit out everything
in your body....its actually your bodys way of starting
the healing process... oh what a fun suprise that is
to wake up to the next day.

as far as being cut up with Razors or knives,
I would rather not have to go one on one in a knife fight
either.....defensive wounds from knives are sometimes not repairable and many tendons in your hands and arms do not
ever heal again......

I would rather just point a gun at them and let them
make the decision as to wether they feel lucky or not..

IAN.....maybe if you tell them that you voted for Obama
they might take it easy on you....

well do you feel lucky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBJzJgYjto

**Ian Gills** · 10-05-2011, 04:09 PM

I have confidence in passers by (especially Americans) and the police.

Besides, you are all way too paranoid here. Most of the violence is gang on gang.

There is no thuggery like there is in Europe.

Which means that you are all carrying guns needlessly. And guns breed guns.

I'd rather take my chances with any thug or group of thugs than have a shoot out.

You got beat up but you didn't die. And your family will be grateful for that even if you're not. Heck, we've all been beat up at one time or another.

Guns kill. And your statistics show that.

because no one there wants to work for a living.

Many Americans seriously entertain the idea that people would rather not work for a living. Have you ever seen the measly size of a welfare check? Can you seriously say that it's fun to be unemployed?

People want to work. They want dignity. And if that means giving them a helping hand when times are rough, so be it.

The approach here seems to be to treat people like animals. No work, no food.

Just what are the churches teaching Americans here?

Tax the churches.

**ballvalve** · 10-06-2011, 11:09 AM

Many Americans want to work, but have no clue HOW to work, raised by gerbels and cockroaches, whose babysitters put them on a deranged video game 8 hours a day.

Then they expect 18$ an hour to operate a smart wrench to bolt up a car door thats hanging from a robot. They'll do it faster and quieter in Brazil for 4$ an hour.

Ask for a phillips screwdriver and they bring you a crowbar.

**ballvalve** · 10-06-2011, 11:10 AM

Many Americans want to work, but have no clue HOW to work, raised by gerbels and cockroaches, whose babysitters put them on a deranged video game 8 hours a day.

Then they expect 18$ an hour to operate a smart wrench to bolt up a car door thats hanging from a robot. They'll do it faster and quieter in Brazil for 4$ an hour.

Ask for a phillips screwdriver and they bring you a crowbar.