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    Hey folks,
    Been reading here for a bit but now I have a dilemma and need some advice.
    I use approx. 180 to 190gals a day and have a hardness of 8, no iron or otherwise. I purchased a FLeck 7000 with 1.25cf (40k?) Nelson Resin in February. About 2 months later I talked with a technician from Fleck and changed out the BLFC and injector assembly to that of a 24,000 grain system for salt savings and efficiency. I have set the unit to C 18000 @H 8 for 2250gals, .25gpm BLFC set at 16mins. all the rest are consistent with what I read here.
    I had override set at 11 days and only one time did the usage require regen the rest of the time it was override. About 6 weeks ago I set the override to 12days. The other night I noticed the gals down to 33 and it did regenerate on the days because I use no safety factor. However this time, the first time, I noticed that the slippery feel of soaps/detergents is not there. Usually the days following a regen I notice my face is as slippery as heck as I rinse in the shower, not this time. So I decided to manually regen the next night. My main test ( I know it is not the professional way) is to use a bar of Ivory soap in the garage sink, if the water is soft the slippery feel is never gone until I dry my hands. Not this time! even after 2 regens. I believe my resin is discharged and needs a jolt.

    Here's what is in my head: I use the formula 2.2 lbs of salt is dissolved into 1 gallon water...?? I rebrine with 4 gals - 8.8lbs. All the charts I had read state this should be enough salt for 24000. However tonight I looked at Nelson's site and they say for 1.0 CF resin 15lbs of salt is needed for 33,000 grains. Converting to my needs this would put me at 8lbs at 16500 and not 18000. Am I correct in my calculations here - I came up short? Also would I gain by purchasing 1.0 cf Purolite C100 and changing out the Nelson?(notice I went down from 1.25cf). My tank is 10X44.
    any advice is greatly appreciated!
    Mike
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    Changing the BLFC and injector has nothing to do with any kind of efficiency and the injector is usually dictated by the size of the tank. the BLFC controls how much water flow into and out of the salt tank per minute.

    One gallon of refill water dissolves 3 lbs of salt (actually 2.7 lbs but call it 3).

    As we see, micro managing causes hard water leakage and in many instances what you think is saved (water and salt) is eventually used up plus additional water and salt to fully regenerate the resin back to max capacity.

    Now you must do 2 manual regenerations at the max of 15 lbs/cuft of resin, one after the other with no water usage during or between each regen so you get all your resin regenerated or you live with hard water getting through the resin bed. before you do them you should go back to the original BLFC and injector.

    Then click on the Sizing link in my signature and learn all about salt efficiency and reprogram your 7000 for 60 gals/person/day plus a 24 hr reserve unless the 7000 has variable reserve. And figure a max of 30K per cuft @ 15lbs/cuft.

    You don't need new or a different brand of resin, just learn to program correctly and for 7-9 days between regenerations based on the K of capacity needed for say 8 days with no reserve IF the 7000 has variable reserve, otherwise one day of reserve at 60gals/person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slusser View Post
    Changing the BLFC and injector has nothing to do with any kind of efficiency and the injector is usually dictated by the size of the tank. the BLFC controls how much water flow into and out of the salt tank per minute.
    The brine flow control only controls the flow into the brine tank and not out of the brine tank. The flow out of the brine tank is controlled by the injector.

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    I think if you look that up you may find that it depends on where the BLFC is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slusser View Post
    I think if you look that up you may find that it depends on where the BLFC is.
    Please explain. All the BLFC I know of are placed in a certain direction, bevel side toward water flow. If not, they do not control flow which means your statement was not correct.

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    ummmm you are partially correct but.... I didn't say direction, I said where it is.
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