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    Default Who is giving out this online advice? Are they a worker or a salesman.

    Is there any truth to these rumours I'm hearing this week that many of the online posters in our pages here and there are in fact employees of the various companies selling product.

    I have been trying to advise people to "Flood Test" their showers and this is getting so much heat. I have had two threads just disappear into Cyber Smoke and am getting all sorts of "Encouragment"...

    Not.

    What's the skinny?

    I know you plumbers here flood test your work - it's code. So if the client chooses a different "Tile Setter" install system like Red Guard, HPG, Hydro Ban, Nobel or Schulter do you not feel like me these guys need to own their work?

    Why deleted the threads.

    I have spoken directly with Terry a few times and he has always been so helpful. My words have never "Disappeared" from this site and I have tried to keep my vents in the more DIY forums.

    What do you all think?

    I've been told this point of the large companies having many online writers by at least 3 people this week. I have been looking for patterns - and they are all to clear once you step back and look a little harder.


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    I haven't deleted any shower pan threads. I normally hire out my tile work, so I've been leaving those answers to others for the most part.
    I can do tile, but not as fast as the pros.
    I do need to have my shower completely redone though, I have a nice Moen IOdigital I would like to install.

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    For you IPC Guys. If your state has adopted the 09 code YOU the plumber are responsible for flood testing the shower drain pan as part of your rough in inspection ( the inspector is going to want to see the tes done) If your tile guy does the pan (and most do) it is still your responsibility to do the test.
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    All of the "regular" posters , to my knowledge, are current or retired plumbers. The forum does not generally act as or allow anyone so schill a product. As a moderator, I occasionally delete a post which seems to be a blatant spam advertisement. We actually usually leave that to Terry, because if it is a company which is not in competition with his business, and he feels the information will benefit the public at large, he lets it stay.


    Did you get any impression that anyone here is "selling " something? Being plumbers, and in many cases cantancerous old curmudgeons, we DO have opinions. Ask us about faucets or whatever, we may tell you what we like......and we all have different ideas!

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    He means Other Forums, not here.

    This guy Whipple will whup those internet discussion forums that are shills. MANY other sites have planted false profiles everywhere inside their site. New profiles get created to make it look like Newbies starting new threads about their renovation project, and after hemming and hawing they ALL decide to use the "orange membrane" which is the sponsor's product. It doesn't correspond to reality, in the Real World, where some people decide to use all the other products, from competitors.

    4 or 5 years ago I mentioned the lousy advice I got at the JB tile forum. It was not helpful to my personal project. All roads led to orangemembraneland. My willingness to explore other avenues led to some Very Weird Conduct from the JB people who came out of the woodwork and identified themselves as employees of a sponsored marketing firm ((which means they were not the "pure of heart" helpful souls they might appear to be to millions of eyeballs.)) Although there is a lot of good work being done, in general, at that site or others, still it is true that the Bias is pervasive, and their Tactics become dishonest when you aren't being a good soldier for them.

    I'm sure this is not a unique thing. It could be commonplace, in many sites.

    Hope this helps.

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    reminds me of the Easy Water shills that pop in long enough to get the Google hits up
    Perception is 3/4 of reality

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