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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    They have better dimensions that those you find here ballvalve. And that is an established fact.

    Plus the hairstyles and makeup still in vogue in the United States disappeared in England in the 80s.

    Ladies here really like their big hair, don't they?

    That is an east coast newscaster-babe type barbie doll. Not a real human American

    Her hair could poke your eye out and only brake parts cleaner would remove that lipstick if you suffered her kiss.

    What dimensions are improved in England? width, girth, height to weight ratio?

    Here in California you have enormous cretin monsters that have not seen their knees in decades, and as many more that make ones socks roll up and down.

    Without debate, Czech, then Slovak, then the Ukrainian women have all the right moves and dimensions a man could possibly utilize and still survive. Never mind the purple hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballvalve View Post
    That is an east coast newscaster-babe type barbie doll. Not a real human American

    Her hair could poke your eye out and only brake parts cleaner would remove that lipstick if you suffered her kiss.

    What dimensions are improved in England? width, girth, height to weight ratio?

    Here in California you have enormous cretin monsters that have not seen their knees in decades, and as many more that make ones socks roll up and down.

    Without debate, Czech, then Slovak, then the Ukrainian women have all the right moves and dimensions a man could possibly utilize and still survive. Never mind the purple hair.
    Mainly the teeth...
    That socialized dentistry in the UK yields some Gawd Awful sets of choppers...

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    But at least the poor get treated Redwood.

    In America, the poor have no teeth because, deprived of any care, they are left to rot and fall out.

    Your daddy probably taught you that this was fair because they are too lazy to find work or just don't work hard enough to earn enough to maintain their own health.

    And with that thought in mind, you might also sleep easy at night with your nice pearly whites.

    Which all works well until the poor come knocking at your door late one night and only then do you have the cheek to ask why?

    Look after the poor or they will rob you. The teachings of the church will not fool them forever.

    Higher taxes is the only way. Their wellbeing is your social duty. The American dream is over (I should know, I live in what used to be one). And your daddy was likely wrong.
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    So with your socialist leanings about dental care, how is it that every one born prior to 1965 in every communist country from East Germany and Czechoslovakia all the way to the baltic strait have incredibly rotten teeth? [no matter the wonderful dimensions and exterior of the girls]

    They had FREE access to dental care under socialism and communism.... Probably because they could not afford to take a day off work, find a bottle of vodka or slivovice to bribe the dentist with to get inside in the door, and another bottle for a shot of novacaine.

    Things are better now, but only the dregs of society go to the "free" dentist in those countries. They rather pay for a private dentist because they know any dentist with skill is not on the government dole.

    Ok, so you say the west of Europe had a "better" form of socialism. Perhaps.

    But the poor of europe on both sides still have rotten teeth because the poor do not have the werewithal or ambition to seek care, free or not, and fill up on junque foods. Such is true of America's poor. They lost their teeth because they spent their disposable income on happy meals and ding dongs and donuts. Toothbrush? Rather a pack of cigarettes and a big slurpy of Mountain Dew. Or a down payment on a Cadillac to adorn the stoop of their collapsing house.

    You want to pay for keepers to take the poor to the dentist? Not on my hard earned tax dollars. While me the "rich" is hoeing my garden and pulling weeds for my geese, the poor are porking out on krispy cremes while watching the Jerry Springer show.

    " Let them eat cake " and face the consequences. Then they can gum their dorito's with a case of old milwaukee at their side.

    Lest that sound too harsh, many toothless poor have worked for me, and I fed them from my garden, and loaned them money far beyond their needs. None advanced in spite of my attempts. Some refused fresh fruits and vegetables because it was unknown to them how to use them or it was too much work to clean cut and cook them.

    Ayn Rand pretty much got it right.

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    Thanks Ballvalve. You've been to places that had true "socialism" so I respect your point of view as you've seen what happens if we go too far the other way. But America is at the other extreme.

    So, yes, western Europe does have a better version of both in that it takes all the values of the US but provides some safety nets as well as education and health for all regardless of income.

    But I cannot get over this view in the US that if you are poor, it is your own fault.

    Surely you guys must see that people get curveballs. They might have an accident, or develop a terminal illness or be born disabled or just be plain ugly. Then what? Are you really saying these people have to fake a belief in God just to get charity and make ends meet?

    We live in a society to help one another when we fall on hard times.

    Take that away, and people start robbing and killing each other. Unless they have a fear in God, of course, but that's risky insurance. I'm starting to understand why there are so many churches here.

    We need more Federal jobs to employ these people gainfully using your tax dollars.
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    You are correct that the system is upside down. My father fed the family on his CCC money in 1937, building trails and dams and fixing infrastructure with gangs of unemployed. Beat the hell out of the coal mines of Eastern Europe. Picks and shovels and never a word of discontent.

    We need that now, but what would I do as the gang boss with a group of inner city kids that do not know how to operate a shovel or hoe? Each one with some mettalic crap attached to their various appendages at a cost of 300$ a pop. They would sue when they went to swat a gnat and their lips or ear came off with the swing. They would all have rap music blasting in their ear music boxes, and orders would be impossible.

    If we tried and ban the music, it would be the ACLU with harassment and civil liberty suits all over us.

    Chain saw? Only saw them in slasher movies, and half the crew would be dead in an hour.

    I agree that for the cost of a few highways and schools we are building in Assghanistan, we could give each city a homeless shelter. Toss in a few billions of Iraqui oil money that we should appropriate from them, and every bum gets a bed in the nation.

    Actually, in a derailment of society, the innocent poor will just be prey for the brutes, which are the guys with big necklaces and automatic weapons and stolen humvees.

    When they devour all that the safeways and korean liquor stores have to offer, they will head to the countryside, where they will have a much harder time against the farmers on their turf.

    Indeed, here the churches provide a safety net. But in rural areas, the poor cannot keep a auto operating, so they become the immobile hidden stain on our democracy.

    I do not think we have enough middle class basic jobs left to create a tax base to do what you wish. At least until we give up being the earths unpaId SWAT team.

    Look at the horrors when India was partitioned, or the zulus and tutsis hacked about a million people to death with dull machetes - all in civilized times. the veneer of civility is terrifyingly thin.
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    So, to cut what has been a very long story short.

    Everyone born here should be an American.

    (even the Irish)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    So, to cut what has been a very long story short.

    Everyone born here should be an American.

    (even the Irish)
    In order to accuate your redistribution of wealth to the blameless poor, everyone born here by illegal immigrants should be able to BUY a citizenship for a large fee to be used toward social equality only.

    Double it for the Irish who benefitted so much from America and breed so succesfully.

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    I had not thought of an auction venue - that might be a better cash cow.

    Incredibly, 99% of Americans do not know that their country has a "green card lottery" in just about every country on earth that gives out FREE citizenships in the American dream for the cost of filling out a short form. It is a huge and rather peculiarly openly secret program.

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    Yes. And many are taxi drivers who, if asked, wished they could have gone to Europe instead where they would be eligible for a pension and free health care.

    Not so in America. Where you often work very hard, for little reward and largely for the benefit of the rich.

    So we need to tax the rich.

    Who don't provide jobs because they save most of that which they earn. Time to take that wealth back and share it out a little.

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    I doubt your taxi driver won the lottery, rather he floated in on a plank to escape cholera in Haiti or Castro's special
    system of rich wealth distribution in Cuba. Maybe he can save up for a kayak and head for France next

    Those that won the lottery are free to keep their original citizenship and return to their land of taxes. The ones I know never look back and live good lives here.

    We do tax the rich, except they create shell corporations in ex-British protectorates and transfer the profits to dear, wonderful Switzerland, [Europe!]

    Switzerland made itself such a rich and superfraggidolicious mary poppins land by using their "neutrality" in the war to stockpile trainloads of Jewish gold sent there by their good buds in Germany. Since the German dream was defeated, and all the innocent taxpaying rich AND poor Jewish victims were now dust floating over the Alps, they were set for life with the blood spoils of war.

    You do not create such wealth with pocknetknives and aged cheese.

    Want to buy that taxi driver his own new company? Open the basements of the Swiss banks and pass that money out.

    You will never tax the corporate rich because their profit is a vapor that the average government joe has no clue how to find.

    We could do a VAT tax and just screw everyone equally.
    Last edited by ballvalve; 10-24-2010 at 02:09 AM.

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