And what is the water quality?
mn if any?
3 people, muni water, no iron/manganese, 16gpg, 1" supply line, 4 baths, no special shower/tub sprayers. I'm a fan of 2 tank systems, having installed a Fleck twinflo system at previous residence. Going with 9100SXT valve. The numbers work out to a 32K system, but a couple vendors have suggested 40K to extend regen by a couple days.?.
Using potassium chloride since the backwash will be routed to area with trees/plants and one member of house is on restricted sodium. 8x33 round brine tank with salt grid.
Having water tested again this coming week to assess chlorine level. At what point (chlorine level) would a charcoal prefilter be needed?
Plan to use standard 8% resin, USA brand like Purolite C100E. Pondering vortech vs gravel bed, but will probably stay with gravel. Do I need top screen?
The system will sit outside (no other reasonable option), but well under roof overhang, and I'm in SOCAL so freezing isn't a big concern. I may wrap the resin tanks with some insulation.
And what is the water quality?
mn if any?
If you are in the Riverside area, no reason to insulate tanks. A cheap stainless decorative jacket would not be a bad idea, but not overly necessary either.
Chlorine levels above 1 ppm should be installed with 10% crosslink resin or a simple GAC backwashing system. I recommend GAC on most municipal supplies.
Dumping the waste in that manner does not meet local codes and it should be routed to a proper sewer drain. I have my system running the irrigation, but the high TDS gets diverted to sewer.
Instead of potassium chloride, how about a RO drinking water system, probably a lot cheaper than potassium.
Sounds like you are on the right track. I would recommend dual 10x54 at minimum for your larger house size if you are going with the 9100SXT.
70runner, you get 7.85 mg/liter (roughly a quart) of added sodium per grain per gallon of ion exchange softening. Check the label on your food and beverages and you'll see that in many cases your sodium won't be as high and actually, how many quarts of softened water would you be ingesting daily anyway?
Using a high salt efficiency setting means that to use potassium chloride you must increase the dose and as much as 30% more to get the same regenerated capacity as sodium chloride would provide.
Either sodium or potassium will kill plants if there is enough of it for a long enough time. Chlorides kill vegetation too.
Gravel underbed is a good choice. A top basket is too.
I was hoping you guys would chime in - THX. There is no drain (septic) near the install location (supply line). The previous owners installed a LifeSource tank with prefilter at the location. The water line comes in near a rear bedroom. The LifeSource guys ran the connecting lines around the corner of the house to a side walkway, about a 20ft run. Both the units are leaking so I have to do something. LifeSource wants a couple C notes just to come look at it, plus I'm not especially fond of this product/company anyway.
The nearest bathroom is probably 25ft away where I might be able to find a drain in the wall (big job). We actually live in Fallbrook CA now. The LifeSource drains to a portion of an avocado tree grove. I've spoken to some local avocado nursuries and they say the potassium effluent, in moderation, would be beneficial to the trees. Another reason I opted for potassium chloride. I had a Rayne guy come out and look at it and he said same thing, drain to the grove and use potassium chloride as there is no septic drain near the area.
Or as an alternative I could just replace the LifeSource with a whole house charcoal, but then I still have the hard water. Pressing on with a 3 ball valve bypass, so I can remedy the leaking. Whatever I do, I can then plumb it to the ends of the bypass.
We use this set up regularly in brine restricted areas. The high TDS water gets diverted to storage for later haul awya, the low tds water goes to the sewer. many municipalities have tds limits for what can go down the drain.
The filter without a bypass is always a bad idea. You are correct to add a 3 valve bypass, but in reality, you should not need the sediment filter before or after the Lifesource system.
The potassium isnot the issue, avacado trees are highly sussceptible to the chloride levels in the water. Here is agood article explaining it. These Chloride tolerance issues are one of the primary reasons for softener bans in many areas. The water gets reused and elevated chloride levels can be problematic for many trees. http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yea...PG_048-049.pdf
Do you have a 1 or 2 story house? You can usually find a drain pipe in the wall by turning on water upstairs and listening to the walls below the upstairs drains. Adding a p-trap is fairly easy.
I hope this information is helpful.
And... 25 feet away is not problem, I would recommend running it in 1/2" or 3/4" PVC.
Very helpful, thx again. Single story. Guess I have to find a drain or no softener.
Can you direct us to where we could find municipalities outside California that limit TDS going into their sewer systems?
How about telling us where the high TDS water is hauled away to.
Regarding the plastic filter leaking, if you can get an O-ring and food-grade silicone grease, I suspect you can stop that leak. I would change the filter element while I was at it. I also don't know where to get that filter cartridge or what you would ask for. If fixing the current leaking system is of interest, somebody might have that info.
Yeah that's what I thought.... dazzle'em with BS and hide when called on it.
BTW, you have a huge and probably damaging error in your Clack rebuild video. I suspect you'll deny it.
Sigh, dont you ever get tired of this?
Use google or bing search for brine discharge restrictions, it is really that simple.
In So Cal, we transfer brine discharge from many industries to local SARI points that are set up for this. http://www.wmwd.com/index.aspx?NID=183
And please let me know the error. I have no problem changing or fixing these videos. I am sure I will make some errors in them and have no problem learning or expanding my knowledge.
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