Toto Toilet Flapper Issue

**jadnashua** · 12-20-2011, 04:03 PM

As the rubber ages, the dome on the top collapses, this pulls in the edges. There are other companies that make flappers that fit. It all depends on your water chemistry...some last a long time, some don't.

**Ivory** · 12-30-2011, 10:37 AM

My Toto is experiencing similar issues to the ones already mentioned, and I think it's probably time (3 years +) to replace the flapper.

A flapper listing on ****, a TOTO GMAX FLAPPER # 2021BP, specifies that it fits TOTO toilets from Korky makers.

My Toto is a ST743S, Made in Vietnam, and I wonder if anyone can say whether the flapper on **** would most likely fit my Toto.

**Terry** · 12-30-2011, 11:21 AM

Korky makes a 3" red rubber replacement flapper for the Drake model.
Most hardware stores carry them, including Lowes.

**JJL Jr** · 01-03-2012, 05:59 PM

I've had my Drake for 6-9 months now and my only complaint is that the flapper closes too soon. I've checked the forums and tried the suggestions but these haven't worked. The problem seems to be that the flapper is too close to the fill pipe which doesn't allow it to stay open. As a result, the flapper closes in a split second. It still flushes the waste but its very loud. I have to laugh when I read that some people find it quiet. Maybe next to a truck. I also think the handle may be part of the problem. Are all the handles made of plastic and very loose? I have tightened the nut inside the toilet yet it seems that the handle itself can't be tightened. This makes for a lot of play. Are there any other flappers/handles that can be used which will allow the flapper to remain open a little longer? If not, I guess I'll have to continue to hold the handle for 2 -3 seconds.

Thanks.

**Terry** · 01-03-2012, 06:30 PM

The flapper is only supposed to be up for a moment.

And as for noise levels, it seems to be very dependent on the bathroom.
Same bowl and tank, different homes, different noise levels.
If you are holding the lever down, you are flushing an extra 2 gallons every time.

**Gary Swart** · 01-03-2012, 06:35 PM

The problem is, you are accustom to the old full flow toilets where the flapper stays open and drains the entire tank. New toilets do not do that. They only use about 1/2 of the tank per flush. Also, you old full flow toilets eased the water into the bowl and were fairly quite. With the new toilets, the water enters the bowl through a much larger water way so it is much faster. This does produce a short noise, but most of us do not find this offensive.

**CJ2367** · 05-09-2012, 06:42 AM

Have 3 ultramax for 6 years and started leaking lately after a series of clorine tablet applications to 3 toilets. Out of the 3, 2 toilets started leaking and found out that the flapper was defective. Showed wavy edges on the flapper. I had to agree to one of the previous poster that the flapper needs a solid flapper instead of the pure rubber flapper. Bought the fluidmaster flapper at Lowe's. HomeDepot does not carry it. Here's a picture of the defective flapper.

**Terry** · 05-09-2012, 09:12 AM

Chlorine voids all manufacturers warranties. We're not surprised that adding chlorine did that to the flapper.

Plumbers tell homeoweners about the damage by chlorine all the time. Fluidmaster does make a product that will put the chlorine inside the refill tube, bypassing the tank.

**Asiangem** · 11-20-2012, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by JJL Jr

I've had my Drake for 6-9 months now and my only complaint is that the flapper closes too soon. I've checked the forums and tried the suggestions but these haven't worked. The problem seems to be that the flapper is too close to the fill pipe which doesn't allow it to stay open. As a result, the flapper closes in a split second. Are there any other flappers/handles that can be used which will allow the flapper to remain open a little longer? If not, I guess I'll have to continue to hold the handle for 2 -3 seconds.

Thanks.

I had the same problem with my Drake because the flapper closes too soon. I found that the Korky 2022BP Power Gravity™ Flapper For TOTO® Toilet Repairs is a 3" flapper which has only 1 hole instead of the flapper with 2 holes in the Drake. By installing the Power Gravity flapper by Korky, I was able to get the flapper to not close too soon... Now I'm looking into adding a float to the flapper to see if the tank water can empty. Some of the tenants seem to use too much toilet paper and need as much water to flush the toilet paper down; they don't seem to hold the handle for 2-3 seconds because its too much trouble for them. Thus its causing a lot of back-ups in the toilet.

**wjcandee** · 11-20-2012, 06:57 AM

What you have done is convert the toilet into a 2.5-plus gallon-per-flush toilet; keep going and you'll have a 3.5+ gallon-per-flush toilet. That's certainly not in the spirit of what's going on in California.

These toilets pretty much push down the maximum that a toilet can with the legally-specified water volume involved. In fact, my old toilets that use more than 3 gallons don't get down any more toilet paper per flush. Eventually, using too much toilet paper will cause a clog, regardless of how much water is used.

And nobody should be holding down the handle for 2-3 seconds. They should just be discriminate about how much Charmin Ultra they are expecting to flush at one time. The as-designed cycle of the toilet can flush a very large amount.

Give the idiots a plunger and show them how to use it. Set the toilet at the proper water usage as designed. When they fill it too much, they get to plunge. Now you have given them a reason to pay attention to how much toilet paper they use.