scooby074
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Hello all. Ive been lurking for a while here but its usually in the plumbing section ,drains, vents and the like/
I just bought a house that had a old softener that wasnt working. I know the water was hard and had iron issues as theyre was significant rust staining on the fixtures.
So i need a new softener to deal with the rust/hardness.
I had a couple reps out already.
THe first rep recommended a softener and a separate air injection machine for iron - approx $4000
His testing determined 14 hardness with 4 PPM iron.
THe latest guy was out today
His testing was more thorough:
Ferric - 1PPM
Ferris (clear iron) - 2.5 PPM
Hardness - 10 grains. Less than previous test due to manganese. Which this rep says will cause false hardness readings.
H2S - minimal
Sulfates - minimal
Manganese - "A bit" He showed it to me participated out in the test bottle. Might have been 1/16" in the bottom of a ~250ml bottle.
Sedimate- Some small black "sand like" residue. May be from the pressure tank as it really hasnt been used in over a year.,
Salt - likely present do to the high TDS.
TDS- 488 PPM
Arsenic - 0
ph - 7
Sorry for some of the inaccurate quantities, but the guy didnt really quantify the manganese, just showed me the bottle.
I did smell sulfur, but only once after the water was off for a week +. Running water really doesnt smell At least i cant smell it. There was no iron bacteria (scum) in any of the toilets or anything like that
End result was $3400 for a softener with "iron removing Redex resin", fancy resin cost an extra $600 and a Reverse Osmosis system to get the salt out of the drinking only water.
This is on a dug well (60-80 ft) with a jet pump. Pump is 1/2 hp. Family of 4 (2 adult 2 children). Unfortunately i cant determine total demand as theyre is no plumbing installed to turn on, but theyre will be a bath and a 1/2 bath, both with low flow fixtures.
I ran garys sizing chart and got a total capacity of 49920 for a week.
I dived by 2, due to the hardness .. so 25000 rounded up is a 30,000 softener?
I can get a Clack headed 30k softener for 699 delivered.http://www.aquatell.com/canada/water-softeners/clack-water-softeners/clack-water-softener-canada-30000-grain WHile this is not a great deal for the states its pretty awesome for here.
As an example the 40k Ge's at home depot are $999 up here
Would this deal with my water conditions?
Im not concerned with the Ferris, but am concerned with the ferric iron. I really dont want to destroy the softener or stain m new fixtures. the guy that ran the test, ran a sample of my water thru his portable "water softener".
He then compared the before iron reading to the after. THats where he came up with the PPM for each. Is this the normal procedure?
Even the second "after" vial was pink/red in colour although it was much lighter than the before.
He said that theyre would still be staining even after treatment due to the ferric. Is that correct?
Any information will help. Thanks in advance.
I just bought a house that had a old softener that wasnt working. I know the water was hard and had iron issues as theyre was significant rust staining on the fixtures.
So i need a new softener to deal with the rust/hardness.
I had a couple reps out already.
THe first rep recommended a softener and a separate air injection machine for iron - approx $4000
His testing determined 14 hardness with 4 PPM iron.
THe latest guy was out today
His testing was more thorough:
Ferric - 1PPM
Ferris (clear iron) - 2.5 PPM
Hardness - 10 grains. Less than previous test due to manganese. Which this rep says will cause false hardness readings.
H2S - minimal
Sulfates - minimal
Manganese - "A bit" He showed it to me participated out in the test bottle. Might have been 1/16" in the bottom of a ~250ml bottle.
Sedimate- Some small black "sand like" residue. May be from the pressure tank as it really hasnt been used in over a year.,
Salt - likely present do to the high TDS.
TDS- 488 PPM
Arsenic - 0
ph - 7
Sorry for some of the inaccurate quantities, but the guy didnt really quantify the manganese, just showed me the bottle.
I did smell sulfur, but only once after the water was off for a week +. Running water really doesnt smell At least i cant smell it. There was no iron bacteria (scum) in any of the toilets or anything like that
End result was $3400 for a softener with "iron removing Redex resin", fancy resin cost an extra $600 and a Reverse Osmosis system to get the salt out of the drinking only water.
This is on a dug well (60-80 ft) with a jet pump. Pump is 1/2 hp. Family of 4 (2 adult 2 children). Unfortunately i cant determine total demand as theyre is no plumbing installed to turn on, but theyre will be a bath and a 1/2 bath, both with low flow fixtures.
I ran garys sizing chart and got a total capacity of 49920 for a week.
I dived by 2, due to the hardness .. so 25000 rounded up is a 30,000 softener?
I can get a Clack headed 30k softener for 699 delivered.http://www.aquatell.com/canada/water-softeners/clack-water-softeners/clack-water-softener-canada-30000-grain WHile this is not a great deal for the states its pretty awesome for here.
As an example the 40k Ge's at home depot are $999 up here
Would this deal with my water conditions?
Im not concerned with the Ferris, but am concerned with the ferric iron. I really dont want to destroy the softener or stain m new fixtures. the guy that ran the test, ran a sample of my water thru his portable "water softener".
He then compared the before iron reading to the after. THats where he came up with the PPM for each. Is this the normal procedure?
Even the second "after" vial was pink/red in colour although it was much lighter than the before.
He said that theyre would still be staining even after treatment due to the ferric. Is that correct?
Any information will help. Thanks in advance.
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