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    I am replacing a toilet that is a piece of junk with a TOTO Drake. After I removed the toilet, I discovered the top of the flange is about 3/8 inch below surface of the tile floor. Furthermore, the edge of the tile cutout overhangs the some parts of the flange rim, so I do not have unfettered access to the flange. The original installation used a single wax ring with funnel, and to my knowledge it never leaked. What do you all recommend I do here? By the way, the top surface of the anchor screws in the flange appear rusted. Should I replace these? Is it normal for them to rust? This toilet was installed by the builder when this house was built in 1997.
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    UPDATE: Well, my new TOTO Drake (elongated bowl w/ Sanigloss) has been in for about three weeks, and so far, no problems. I'm shocked - my first toilet installation and I didn't screw it up - a miracle. This is a great toilet - I am so happy to be rid of that Mansfield 160 (hope I can name names here). I went with the single extra thick (No Seep 10) wax ring - haven't seen any water on the floor, so I guess I did OK. While the toilet base is near perfectly level, I could not get the tank to true level and get contact on all three points. I don't know how important that is, but the toilet is doing its job. Thanks for all who offered advice and guidance - it was much appreciated.
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    Get a closet flange extesion kit from home depot. One extesion ring will probably get you flush with the tile. Go ahead ad replace the rusted screws with stainless steel or galvanized screws. Finally when your ready to set the toilet use a wax ring with out the funnel. The funnel will reduce the opening and created clogs.
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    Or, put a regular wax down first, and then a wax with horn on top of that, and then drop the bowl down.

    Been doing that for 35 years.

    Installing a Drake


    Install kit for toilets
    Notice that the bag of bolts includes four nuts and four washers.

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    Or use a #10 wax ring which is probably thick enough by itself. I am not a fan of "extension rings" or spacers.

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    Just so I'm clear, are you suggesting I put wax rings down on the flange then set the toilet down on the wax rings, or put the rings on the horn of the toilet then put the toilet on the flange? I'm guessing the latter so the ring with the funnel will be closest to the flange (bottom). In the kit you pictured in your reply, are the extra nuts and washers used to tighten the bolts to the flange before I put down the toilet? Also, do you recommend I replace the flange screws? Is there a gasket or some kind of seal below the flange? Thanks so much for giving your time to this website, this is a fantastic resource.

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    Plumbers always replace the bolts first.

    Then they put the wax on the flange, not on the bowl.
    I can't tell you how many times I've pulled a bowl that a handyman set, and the wax wax covering the hole.

    Drop the regular wax on the flange, then put the wax with the flange on top of that.
    Or you can do like hj mentions and use one #10 wax.

    I like to sell both rings, that way, depending on the home, you can use one wax or two.
    Either way, they will be able to do it.

    I have not had good luck with the white plastic extensions.
    I've had much better luck with an extra wax ring.
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    What is the deal with the 4 nuts and 4 washers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc60618 View Post

    Get a closet flange extesion kit from home depot. One extesion ring will probably get you flush with the tile. Go ahead ad replace the rusted screws with stainless steel or galvanized screws. Finally when your ready to set the toilet use a wax ring with out the funnel. The funnel will reduce the opening and created clogs.
    Thanks for your help. I considered a flange extension but I didn't think I could do it without somehow clearing the tile completely from the rim of the existing flange. If I'm right about that then I have to figure out how to remove the tile overhanging the flange.
    Last edited by Terry; 01-26-2010 at 01:04 PM.

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