(206) 949-5683, Top Rated Plumber, Seattle
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 35

Thread: Humidifier Bypass

  1. #1
    DIY Junior Member mcnauge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    12

    Default Humidifier Bypass

    Hello,

    Im in the process of installing a new humidifier, however, due to the way the furnace was installed the Furnace output duct has the A-coil mounted about 14" above the furnace top and this leaves very little room above the A-coil and the ceiling.

    1) Can I mount the bypass duct below the A-coil (All the manuals say 6" above the coil, but i assume that because usually the coil it right above the furnace.

    2) Can the bypass duct be 5-6" highier or lower than the humdifier? (I have a space issue on the supply and return lines and can't mount them level to eachother).

    Thanks,
    Erik

  2. #2
    DIY Senior Member SteveW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    1,042

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mcnauge View Post
    Hello,

    Im in the process of installing a new humidifier, however, due to the way the furnace was installed the Furnace output duct has the A-coil mounted about 14" above the furnace top and this leaves very little room above the A-coil and the ceiling.

    1) Can I mount the bypass duct below the A-coil (All the manuals say 6" above the coil, but i assume that because usually the coil it right above the furnace.

    2) Can the bypass duct be 5-6" highier or lower than the humdifier? (I have a space issue on the supply and return lines and can't mount them level to eachother).

    Thanks,
    Erik

    1) Do you have a heat pump? If so, bypass has to come off above the A-coil.

    2) Yes. No need for the duct to be level.

  3. #3
    DIY Junior Member mcnauge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    12

    Default

    It is a natural gas furance (about 5 years old). So does that matter is the bypass is above or below the A-coil?

  4. #4
    DIY Senior Member SteveW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    1,042

    Default

    So you don't have a heat pump?
    (I have a natural gas furnace and a heat pump.)

  5. #5
    DIY Junior Member mcnauge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    12

    Default

    Its an all natural gas furance, the only add-on is the Air conditioning A-coil (its just for ac no heat pump)
    Last edited by mcnauge; 01-10-2010 at 06:25 AM.

  6. #6
    Previous member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    North of the Mason dixon Line
    Posts
    1,150

    Default

    it can come off below the coil.

  7. #7
    DIY Senior Member SteveW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    1,042

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    it can come off below the coil.

    ...as long as you are sure you DON'T have a heat pump.

    Heat pumps look just like regular AC units.

    If you DO have a heat pump, the takeoff has to come off above the coil (so you are using warm air to run over the water pad in the humidifier.)

  8. #8
    Previous member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    North of the Mason dixon Line
    Posts
    1,150

    Default

    quote - It is a natural gas furance (about 5 years old). So does that matter is the bypass is above or below the A-coil?

    I doubt he'd have a heat pump and a natural gas furnace at the same time.

  9. #9
    DIY Junior Member mcnauge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    12

    Default

    Perfect, thanks for the quick help.

    Just curious, is the reason it has to be above the coil (if it was a heat pump) is just because of the heat needs to pass throught the humidifier?

    Since mine is a gas furnace the AC coil is just used in the summer and its only important that the bypass duct doesn't get blocked by the coil?

    Thanks again,

    Erik

  10. #10
    DIY Senior Member SteveW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    1,042

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mcnauge View Post
    Perfect, thanks for the quick help.

    Just curious, is the reason it has to be above the coil (if it was a heat pump) is just because of the heat needs to pass throught the humidifier?

    Since mine is a gas furnace the AC coil is just used in the summer and its only important that the bypass duct doesn't get blocked by the coil?

    Thanks again,

    Erik

    Yes, the reason you have to take off above the coil if you have a heat pump is that you always want to send warm air to the humidifier (assuming you have a water pad system - that's the most common). Otherwise, you are just sending room temperature air over the water pad, and it won't pick up much water since room temp. air can't hold as much moisture as warmer air.

    One thing you probably already know - you want to make sure that you have a shut-off damper somewhere in the duct, or in the humidifier itself - so that in summer you aren't sending cold air over the humidifier pad. Doesn't really hurt anything, but doesn't serve any good purpose either.

  11. #11
    DIY Senior Member SteveW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    1,042

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    quote - It is a natural gas furance (about 5 years old). So does that matter is the bypass is above or below the A-coil?

    I doubt he'd have a heat pump and a natural gas furnace at the same time.

    Actually quite common where I live (Nebraska). Many of us have existing natural gas furnaces, and then when the AC compressor finally fails, we replace the AC system with a heat pump, and tie into the existing gas furnace.

  12. #12
    DIY Senior Member Hube's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Ontario
    Posts
    156

    Default

    Mc Nauge; it don't matter where you install it as long as it is in the main air stream. This Humidifier could be installed any where on the supply plenum or any where on the return plenum. the main idea of a humidifier is to provide needed moisture in the home. As long as it is installed in the main duct stream whether it is supply or return this moistened air will be sent out thru the main supply ducts.
    if installed on the supply plenum the intake air to it will be from the supplyair.
    if it is installed on the return plenum then the intake to it will also be from the supply air.
    Ps don't forget to hook(wire) up the humidistat for it so the moisture in the home can be controlled.
    Last edited by Hube; 01-10-2010 at 11:45 AM.

  13. #13
    DIY Senior Member SteveW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    1,042

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hube View Post
    Mc Nauge; it don't matter where you install it as long as it is in the main air stream. This Humidifier could be installed any where on the supply plenum or any where on the return plenum. the main idea of a humidifier is to provide needed moisture in the home. As long as it is installed in the main duct stream whether it is supply or return this moistened air will be sent out thru the main supply ducts.
    if installed on the supply plenum the intake air to it will be from the return plenum.
    if it is installed on the return plenum then the intake to it will be from the supply plenum.
    Ps don't forget to hook(wire) up the humidistat for it so the moisture in the home can be controlled.


    He is actually asking a different question - not where he can put the humidifier, but whether he can put his take-off duct below the A-coil.

    As I've said above, it does actually matter if you have a heat pump, but if not, OK to take off below the coil.

  14. #14
    DIY Senior Member Hube's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Ontario
    Posts
    156

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveW View Post
    He is actually asking a different question - not where he can put the humidifier, but whether he can put his take-off duct below the A-coil.

    As I've said above, it does actually matter if you have a heat pump, but if not, OK to take off below the coil.
    ************************************************** **
    As I said, it does'nt matter where it is as long as it in the MAIN DUCT AIR STREAM.

  15. #15
    DIY Senior Member Runs with bison's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Midwest
    Posts
    892

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hube View Post
    ************************************************** **
    As I said, it does'nt matter where it is as long as it in the MAIN DUCT AIR STREAM.
    No, Steve is correct. If he has a heat pump the humidifier takeoff should be AFTER the heat source, in that case it would be the A-coil providing heat from the heat pump. Otherwise there has been no heat addition for vaporizing water and the humidifier will be very ineffective. It's a process flowsheeting issue as well as a matter of thermodynamics.

    Same happens frequently with stripping towers, folks neglect to preheat the stripping gas, then can't understand why they can't strip anything with it. I've seen it several times where otherwise competent engineers cobbled something together without running it past process design/simulation.

    I don't have a heat pump, although I've considered doing what SteveW mentioned. With the high relative cost of electric to gas here, a two stage condensing furnace with ECM blower appears a better option.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •