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Thread: Bradfor White being installed next week...if in market for WH avoid SEARS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hj View Post
    It is BECAUSE the other one did not have the problems, or at least did not SEEM to have them, and that there is little room for errors when replacing one water heater with another, that I question your diagnosis. I am not sure if some of the problems might have been there previously, but you are more cognizent of them JUST because you have a new heater, or what else could have happened. But it is essentially like you taking your car in to the garage and you have them replace the alternator. Then suddenly the door windows do not work or the radio goes berserk, and you blame it on the "poor alternator" or the guy who installed it, when both are merely doing their jobs.
    When you say little room for errors....could you expand on that?


    Consensus here seems to be that AO Smith and American Water Heaters and their kind seem to have a lot more issues than their Rheem and Bradford White counterparts. Issues seem to do with the air intake system, whether it gets clogged up easily with lint or it just does not take in enough air to combust properly...could it be because the Vanguard was the older style with the open burner that it got all the air that it needed? I don't recall any soot or smoke/smell issues...my diagnosis if you will is that the issues I am seeing SEEM to point to a primary or a secondary air issue......in looking at the Bradford White design vs the Kenmore design it appears to me that the Bradford White air intake system and FVIR setup is superior to the Kenmore/Smith/State etc...would you agree with that?



    Looking at the pictures I have been posting can you honestly say I should cut the Sears plumbers any slack???? As a professional plumber you should be appalled at the work these guys did...I've said on many occasions that I wish the plumbers who frequent here lived close to NH because I don't think I would be having any of these issues if one of you did the install in the first place...... would not say it is anywhere near a case of a guy merely doing his job.....bending pipes down and over to make them fit? Chewing up the connections with channel locks? Not caring about the condition of the the floor knowing that the air intake is on the bottom of the heater? I mean there was sand and lint all over the place and when I wanted to clean it up all I got was "I install these on dirt floors, doesn't matter"....and then that goofy sloppy connection at the T??


    I'm sorry I'm just getting worked up but guys like that give you good plumbers a bad rap


    I really do value your comments HJ and not arguing......but would you say that Rheem or Bradford White makes a better more air intake efficient water heater than Kenmore?

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    I have installed AO Smith, GE, Rheem, Ruud, American, and Bradford-White heaters and have NEVER had problems with any of them. Therefore, I have no basis to NOT recommend any of them based on my personal experience. But if there is an existing water heater, and a new one replaces it, without ANY modifications to the environment, I cannot see where any subsequent problems could be due to the installation. If the installation discloses environmental problems, then these would have to be analyzed and remedied, but if they are the cause of your symptoms, they will still be there with the new heater. The combustion air intakes just control the burner's proper operation, and the FVIR is an emergency feature that the average user will NEVER need, unless he likes to store gasoline cans next to his water heater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hj View Post
    The combustion air intakes just control the burner's proper operation, and the FVIR is an emergency feature that the average user will NEVER need, unless he likes to store gasoline cans next to his water heater.

    Yes I agree with you 100%! But I think the design of the Kenmore Air Intake does not work as well as it should compared to a Bradford White...I am going to be posting a video I took of my burner..take a look and tell me if you think it is ok

    Thanks!

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