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John Stossel's 5 min clip disputing Cuba's "Great" healthcare.
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So let's all interview Cuban exiles to get an impartial view!
Rubbish!
It's time to wake up, smell the coffee and get over the Cold War.
They tried to allow nuclear bombs to be positioined there which could have been used to attack you.
But that was fifty years ago.
So what is all the fuss about?
You guys used to run about that place and use it as a casino.
Rubbish!
It's time to wake up, smell the coffee and get over the Cold War.
They tried to allow nuclear bombs to be positioined there which could have been used to attack you.
But that was fifty years ago.
So what is all the fuss about?
You guys used to run about that place and use it as a casino.
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I hope you enjoy reading about Lovely Cuba....maybe take the family for a short va ca there...
Here is your buddy before he executed a farmer...but what the hey...free health care...best in the world...er...better than in the US...
Here is your buddy before he executed a farmer...but what the hey...free health care...best in the world...er...better than in the US...
Frenchie
Jack of all trades
Would you PLEASE stop dragging my name into things, every time SOMEBODY ELSE pisses you off?
...and you wonder why I get paranoid. Hah.
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Runs with Bison
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No offense to you personally, but John Stossel is an idiot and most of what he reports can be easily debunked. He was entertaining 20-25 years ago when I was young enough not to know better, but his free market theory of everything should be buried in the same hole with Greenspan's. Their reliance on the rectitude of the invisible hand has been disproven convincingly by self-immolation of the unregulated market itself. It was a fitting end to a mantra based more on misplaced faith rather than logic. They discounted the possibility of markets behaving irrationally--a fatally flawed assumption. Same thing happened leading to the Great Depression.
A quote from another conservative that likely would have sided with them, Jefferson Davis, applies: "Died of a Theory."
Over the long haul unregulated free markets are disasters, as are completely state controlled economies/markets. But I'm a pragmatist: there is a balance to be had, the trick is in recognizing and using the right tools for each task. When one doesn't work...try another. Libertarianism is anything but pragmatic (see Stossel, Ron Paul, etc.) Or said another way, it is just as pragmatic as communism...which is not very much.
Sadly, the health care bill won't eliminate the horribly wasteful, redundant, parasitic insurance apparatus or provide nearly full coverage. As a result, cost containment isn't going to happen. DINO's Lieberman and Nelson saw to that.
The funny part that really showed how completely wrong the opposition to real reform/public option was this: the same types that claimed the free market would provide the cheapest and best answer crapped their pants at competing with "inefficient government". They admitted that private enterprise couldn't compete. That was game, set, match against the validity of their whole argument. Not to mention that we have the least cost effective healthcare system in the world, providing mediocre outcomes.
My favorite is the fictitious govt. death panels claim. The really funny part is that insurance companies already are "death panels." But the idea of taking that power away from an insurance exec trying to pad his bonus apparently scares the daylights out of some.
Frenchie
Jack of all trades
In the middle of explaining what you and I were talking about? And how each State administers its own welfare programs, and that's why it might not be the same where you live, as in New York where I live, and the other states I used as examples....
You were part of the topic, how am I not going to mention you? Why would you be upset by any of that? You & where you live were both ON-TOPIC to what was being explained.
I coulda just said "oh, Cookie doesn't know anything about welfare" - and then you'd have the right to get upset. But I didn't. I explained how it's different in each State, and so you and I might both be right, for where we each live.
In contrast - you just dragged me into an argument about Cuba - when did I ever say anything about Cuba?
And you did it, just to insult me. I don't know much about America? I was born here, raised right next door with American TV and American newspapers and American newsmagazines, visiting regularly, always aware that I'm a citizen, always interested. And aside from the first year of my life, I've lived in the States for almost a third of my life!
Unless you want to try to find some actual example of how I don't know about my homeland... I have every right to be upset at you. I wasn't even part of the conversation at that point, and still you're taking cheap shots at me?
And most of all - this isn't the first time you've lumping me in with others, like that. Not the first time I've asked you not to do it.
Frenchie,
I am not reading this post above I glanced at it only. You got a problem and I am so glad it is your problem and not mine. Move on Frenchie. Get a life, but in the process you got to learn how your information you are giving out is wrong. Cook.
I am not reading this post above I glanced at it only. You got a problem and I am so glad it is your problem and not mine. Move on Frenchie. Get a life, but in the process you got to learn how your information you are giving out is wrong. Cook.
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War is Hell...but he is still at it...we stopped...and he uses his "Grand Health Care" system to continue his brutal oppression of the Cubans...even if they had money, which he won't allow to happen, they can't buy any health care that they might want...try going there and living with the masses not the elite and come back and report what you expereienced...try going there and supporting an opposition party that trys to have someone else elected...we would never see you again... you would just disappear...he is just a good ol boy I guess....with fair and open elections...I guess with that good health care system of his if any one is put to the firing squad and lives they can doctor them up...
All new regimes cost lives.
Even yours. Especially yours.
Indians. British. And even fellow Americans - lots of them. All perished.
Frenchie
Jack of all trades
At least it's clear where you stand, then.
Got an actual example of any wrong information I've given out? Or just your usual "because I say so"?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Bye, all. It's been a slice. I'm out.
Rehabber
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What you forgotto mention is that the 'government option' would be supported by taxes from other sources. Of course private enterprise can't compete, but the overall cost per person would be much more costly. Please let me know what the government does well (other than collect taxes and waste money)
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