Global Warming...

[Cass]

Here is the problem with "Global Warming" why Governments want control of it and why once Governments can tax it, both the control and taxation will never ever go away...


The reason is simple...

regardless of what happens the Government will always have a reason to tax you for it...

Example..

They implement their plan and the temps keep going up...they will just say "we need to do more"....

They implement their plan and the temps fall...they will say "see it worked and we need to keep doing what we are doing"...

It is a Catch 22

The problem is that there is no way to prove if anything they do is causing the results they are seeing...it is imposable to know...

It is a Socialistic World Government or Local Governments Dream...and if they ever declare carbon dioxide a controlled gas then they will be able to control every aspect of your life because that is what you exhale...

This all goes back to my statement that I would like to see provable science, not just temperature records, that shows the cause of "Global Warming"...I guess it would be to much to ask...and to reasonable...

[Peter Griffin]

It was 17 below last night, bring on all the damn global warming you can and do it now.

If you will excuse me I'm going outside now to start every engine I own and see if I can get my carbon emmissions up.

[frenchie]

Here is the problem with "Global Warming" why Governments want control of it and why once Governments can tax it, both the control and taxation will never ever go away...


The reason is simple...

regardless of what happens the Government will always have a reason to tax you for it...

Example..

They implement their plan and the temps keep going up...they will just say "we need to do more"....

They implement their plan and the temps fall...they will say "see it worked and we need to keep doing what we are doing"...

It is a Catch 22

The problem is that there is no way to prove if anything they do is causing the results they are seeing...it is imposable to know...

It is a Socialistic World Government or Local Governments Dream...and if they ever declare carbon dioxide a controlled gas then they will be able to control every aspect of your life because that is what you exhale...

This all goes back to my statement that I would like to see provable science, not just temperature records, that shows the cause of "Global Warming"...I guess it would be to much to ask...and to reasonable...

Define "proveable science". The way you seem to be using the word... they haven't "proven" the law of gravitational attraction yet: it's just the explanation that best fits the observable data / historical record.

[Cass]

Compairing the gravational pull of the earth and climate change is like compairing water pouring out of a glass every time you pour it and the weather...

To prove the cause of climate change you have to eliminate all other possible causes so there is only one or several reasons left and you have to know exactly what every other causes could possibly be first before you can do that...that would leave you with the exact cause ...then you can work on a possible cure for the preceived problem...then again there may not be any way to solve the problem...that is what needs to be done

I am saying there are to many variables to be certain as to the exact cause...no one can know at this time...we don't have enough understanding of how the earth works...we don't even know if we know all that we need to know to do anything...new discoveries are made each year about things we had no idea existed that impact the way we understand how things work.....

just like when they thought the earth was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe and every thing revolved around it...

[Cass]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...atories_d.html

[frenchie]

You get your science informationg from American Thinker?

Oh...

This discussion is probably kind of pointless, then.



I didn't compare gravity to AWG. I asked you to clarify what you mean by "proveable science".

I never said - and I don't believe any reputable scientist has ever claimed - that anthropogenic C02 is the only factor driving global warming. Or even that we understand all the factors involved. Straw man, much?

Not knowing everything, is not the same as no knowing anything. You guys want to pretend that there's no warming taking place, that we don't have a clue about what might be causing it, that there's no basis for the AGW hypothesis. That just ain't so. Some things have been ruled out; some things seem to have only a minor effect, some things seem to have a major driving effect.

[Cass]

I would like to see temp charts that go back more than 150 years...like maybe a few thousand years at least...

those might tell us something...150 years or so of temp records is meaningless...