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    Sorry but taxing things will not change anything as far as GW goes....it will just make people poorer...and gives the elite more power over them (the poor) and makes the bankers and elite who own the company's that will handle the $$$ transfers more rich...Al Gore stands to get 100s of Millions of $$$ because of the company he owns if cap and trade goes through...it also makes it harder for them (the poor)to get ahead...

    There is no way of even knowing if doing anything will help...

    It is not monetarily feasible at this time with our current technology...

    Check the cost of electricity generated by wind mills, solar pannels, etc. when taking their cost and up keep divided by the amount of electricity generated...and they can't just go any where...now if your talking Nuclear Energy I am all for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post

    We know CO2 causes global warming and we know emissions have gone up.

    NO...You just are convinced it is because enough people said so...with no scientific proof...that it is not just normal climate change...


    Common Sense...It's not Science....and not provable...

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    Do you like my reindeer dog? He is very scientific. He thinks he is a buck.

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    now if your talking Nuclear Energy I am all for it...
    Of course I am for nuclear energy and electric cars and everything. It's the best way. No emissions and adequate generating capacity.

    NO...You just are convinced it is because enough people said so...with no scientific proof...that it is not just normal climate change...
    I'm sorry but it is clearly Amercians and their cars and both the Americans and Chinese and their coal power stations. CO2 has been shown conclusively to raise global temperatures and we are pumping more of it into the atmosphere than ever.

    Conservative "victims" who don't want to pay taxes and "big oil companies" and their political supporters are just trying to cover up the facts.
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    ...and the dog?
    would you rather see my cat dressed up as an elf? " I get no respect."
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    I think they are very much in the spirit of the season Cookie.

    Neither look especially happy with their attire though. The dog is down-right embarassed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    Of course I am for nuclear energy and electric cars and everything. It's the best way. No emissions and adequate generating capacity.


    I'm sorry but it is clearly Amercians and their cars and both the Americans and Chinese and their coal power stations. CO2 has been shown conclusively to raise global temperatures and we are pumping more of it into the atmosphere than ever.

    Conservative "victims" who don't want to pay taxes and "big oil companies" and their political supporters are just trying to cover up the facts.
    Show me the Scientific facts, that are covered up, that prove it is from them...if it is as factual as you say it is it can't be that hard show me...

    Maybe you should stop breathing...you are contributing greatly to it...
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    That is a good thing then that he aint my dog! lol. I found him on the net and loved the picture.

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    Breathing, like wood burning, is carbon-neutral.
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    it smells like......victory......

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    The Earth was formed about 4,540,000,000 years ago.

    In the beginning, the Earth's atmosphere contained very little oxygen (less than 1% oxygen pressure).

    Early plants started to develop more than 2 billion years ago, probably about 2,700,000,000.

    Through photosynthesis, plants uptake carbon dioxide into the biosphere as organic matter, and release oxygen as a byproduct.

    Through geologic time, oxygen accumulated gradually in the atmosphere, reaching a value of about 21% of atmospheric gases at the present time.

    Through geologic time, surplus organic matter has been sequestered in the lithosphere as fossil organic materials (coal, petroleum, and natural gas).

    Early animals (the first organisms with external shells) started to develop around 600,000,000 years ago.

    Animals operate in the opposite way than plants: they take up oxygen, burn organic matter (food), and release carbon dioxide as a byproduct.

    Early humans (Australopithecus anamensis) began to develop about 4,100,000 years ago.

    Cool climatic conditions have prevailed during the past 1,000,000 years. The species Homo sapiens evolved under these climatic conditions.

    Homo sapiens dates back to more than 400,000 years.

    Estimates for the variety Homo sapiens sapiens, to which all humans belong, range from 130,000 to 195,000 years old.

    The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was as low as 190 ppm during the last Ice Age, about 21,000 years ago.

    The last Ice Age began to recede about 20,000 years ago.

    The agricultural revolution, where humans converted forests and rangelands into farms, began to develop about 10,000 years ago.

    The agricultural revolution caused a reduction in standing biomass in the biosphere and reduced the uptake of carbon dioxide in midlatitudinal regions, indirectly contributing, however so slightly, to global warming.

    The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere increased gradually from a low of 190 ppm 21,000 year ago, to about 290 ppm in the year 1900, i.e., at an average rate of 0.00478 ppm per year.

    The industrial revolution, where humans developed machines (artificial animals, since they consume fuels, which are mostly organic matter), began in England about 240 years ago (1767).


    In October 1999, the world's population reached 6,000,000,000, which is double that of the year 1959 (the doubling occurred in 40 years).


    The world's population is currently increasing at the rate of about 80,000,000 per year (about 1.2 %).

    The current world population is 6,781,000,000 (September 1, 2009).

    The global fleet of motor vehicles is estimated at 830,000,000 (2006).


    The global fleet of motor vehicles has been recently growing at the rate of 16,000,000 per year.

    Motor vehicles (cars, trucks, buses, and scooters) account for 80% of all transport-related energy use.

    The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which was at 290 ppm in the year 1900, rose to 316 ppm in 1959, or at an average 0.44 ppm per year.

    Measurements of the concentration of carbon dioxide since 1959 (316 ppm) have revealed an increase to 387 ppm in 2009, or at an average 1.42 ppm per year.


    The concentration of carbon dioxide has increased an average of about 1.8 ppm per year over the past two decades.

    The concentration of carbon dioxide increased 2.87 ppm in 1997-98, more than in any other year of record.

    The year 1998 was the warmest of record. The year 2002 was the second warmest (to that date). The year 2003 was the third warmest (to that date). The year 2004 was the fourth warmest (to that date). The year 2005 equaled 1998 as the warmest of record. The year 2007 equaled 1998 as the second warmest of record. The ten warmest years have occurred in the twelve-year period 1997-2008.

    About 75% of the annual increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is due to the burning of fossil fuels.

    The remaining 25% is attributed to anthropogenic changes in land use, which have the effect of reducing the net uptake of carbon dioxide.

    Anthropogenic changes in land use occur when forests are converted to rangelands, rangelands to agriculture, and agriculture to urban areas.

    Other patterns of land degradation--deforestation, overgrazing, overcultivation, desertification, and salinization--reduce the net uptake of carbon dioxide, indirectly contributing, however slightly, to global warming.

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    Cliff Notes version ?
    DIY Handyman (not 4 hire)
    I have enough to do to my own house

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Dave View Post
    Cliff Notes version ?
    Just Ian stirring the pot. Started off complaining about prices, but that didn't work. So he brought up cap & trade.

    Sprinkle liberally with UFO's, aliens, and a (strangely enough, unrelated) excerpt from Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

    And of course, we should get rid of the States and just let the Feds run everything.

    You know... the usual.
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    it smells like......victory......

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    It's important we deal with these issues here so that plumbers are educated on the facts when i) they interact with clients; and, ii) interact with themselves.

    I dream of the day a plumber in Florida visits a client and they start chatting about how much of a wonderful job the Federal Government is doing.

    Rather than just complaining about it.
    Last edited by Ian Gills; 12-16-2009 at 05:40 PM.

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    See what I mean?
    Master Plumber Mark:

    there is nothing better than the
    manly smell of WD 40 in the air
    while banging away on brass with a chisel and hammer...

    it smells like......victory......

    do not hit your thumb...
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    Just so everyone's clear: I'm the POODLE in the picture ("french", get it?) The hot woman is my wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie View Post
    excerpt from Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

    So long and thanks for all the fish.
    I love that book and suprisingly the movie was at least entertaining.
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