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    Yeah, but this is real this time.

    Those were the 70s after all when Uncle Jesse was still a moonshine "ridge-runner" making the finest shine this side of the Mason-Dixon.

    Jesse Duke drove a 1973-77 Ford F-100 pickup truck: a cause of the problem we see today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
    Well, tis about to be below zero here for about a week so they say so I am in favor of all the global warming I can get.

    When I was in college in the 70's, all the global scientists were warning of the coming ice age. Strange how that talk all shifted 180 degrees (no pun intended ) when no one paid any attention and there wasn't any money to be made off the whole prospect.
    Makin it sound like something it's not... The ice age cycles do predict global cooling, but only in a couple thousand years.

    As for "all the global scientists"? Um, except maybe World Meteorological Organization - which issued a warning, in 1976, that "the World's temperature likely to rise".
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    Talking the microbe wagging the dog

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    I'm just asking the difficult questions Peter because someone has to.

    If you know how to plumb a gas water heater, how difficult can it be to fix global warming? I mean, really.

    If you cut the gas, the thing cools down. It's not rocket science.

    Ian...this is really all just mental bs...
    its actually impossible for us to do anything but hang on for the ride..........

    Immagine with me if you will IAN..and Peter......
    all of humanity is nothing more than a bunch of microbes that live on the very edje of a dogs rectum........
    Everyone is trying to figure out some way how to keep this thing we live on from rumbling exploding some day.....

    the greatest scientists we have already know that their is something going on but they cannot seem to grasp that we are like a huge rash on that dogs behind....

    Actually, we are so very small that we cannot even think of ourselves as the tail trying to wag the dog......we are only microbes.....cosmically speaking.

    So when the dog finally has had enough and starts to rub his behind across the carpet.....

    that is when we are in for trouble....
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    Ian...this is really all just mental bs...
    its actually impossible for us to do anything but hang on for the ride..........

    Immagine with me if you will IAN..and Peter......
    all of humanity is nothing more than a bunch of microbes that live on the very edje of a dogs rectum........
    Everyone is trying to figure out some way how to keep this thing we live on from rumbling exploding some day.....

    the greatest scientists we have already know that their is something going on but they cannot seem to grasp that we are like a huge rash on that dogs behind....

    Actually, we are so very small that we cannot even think of ourselves as the tail trying to wag the dog......we are only microbes.....cosmically speaking.

    So when the dog finally has had enough and starts to rub his behind across the carpet.....

    that is when we are in for trouble....
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    Yes I did read it Mark and I like it very much. If you can put a man on the moon, then you can limit global warming (I agree we cannot stop it).

    It will require a rise in prices and taxes, some new technology and some new American jobs but it can be done.

    You almost did it with the electric car before California flip-flopped.

    It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination...a Conservative imagination.
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    Douglas Adams?
    Master Plumber Mark:

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    it smells like......victory......

    do not hit your thumb...
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    Yes.

    The major problem one of the major problems, for there are several one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
    To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

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    Talking you need to watch cosmos

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post

    Yes I did read it Mark and I like it very much. If you can put a man on the moon, then you can limit global warming (I agree we cannot stop it).

    It will require a rise in prices and taxes, some new technology and some new American jobs but it can be done.

    You almost did it with the electric car before California flip-flopped.

    It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination...a Conservative imagination.

    you need to watch cosmos by Carl Sagan sometime if you have not already seen it...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7n71pm0K04


    trust me IAN, we are not alone....

    the problem with humanity is the need to dominate one another and keep each other in
    the darkness with only a select few knowing much of what is going on ,

    and all of this simply for the need to make a profit...

    the need to keep one 90% of humanity in debt to the other 10%, literally like parasites feeding on the misery and starvatin of the others...instead of helping the planet rise out of this endless cycle of wars, greed and poverty.....

    of course what would this new world look like anyway?? Good question what utopia would be .....




    if we can stay slaves to oil, the better for the oil industry....they will buy up all new technologies that ever come on the market and then KILL THEM.. so they can stay in power over everyone...

    I wont even speak about what medicle advances that have probably been canned just to keep that industry going too...


    heres a good example for you
    the IMF and Fed reserve prints money out of thin air and then loans it to Africa and
    now that Africa cannot even pay the interest back on the money they owe to someone who makes the rules and makes play money... they simply let the poor bastards starve ....

    they could as easily just forgive the debt, but that is not in anyones best interests....


    I am beginning to think that the only way things
    will ever change for the good is with the landings of beings from another world....


    but no one wants to believe that their are such
    things out there...so we got to keep the status quo going....

    I wonder who put that thought in all our minds???




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    Talking wait and see.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie View Post
    Et ?
    we wait and we see....

    Somenone smarter than us in the universe
    is not really that much of a leap of faith... dont you think?
    Considering the idiots presently in charge of running things?


    Cookie... did you like the pretty lights over Norway last week???.

    oh yea, I forgot,
    that was a russian test missle that went out of control... ok....


    nevermind......

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    Somenone smarter than us in the universe
    is not really that much of a leap of faith... dont you think?
    Unproven at the moment. But this is why the quest to find bacteria on Mars or the moon is so important.

    If they find even the smallest hint of life on our nearest neighbors, then that means it is everywhere.

    And that would almost certainly mean other intelligent life exists (outside of Europe anyway - I have yet to find any in America).

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    Well, well, we finally agreed on something, lol. It took awhile. Years ago, I was assigned to interview Betty Hill for a newspaper. At first I remained neutral which I had to be while writing the piece. Betty and I became friends and remained friends up until, the time of her death. I grew to love her and believe her. I have tapes of my interviews with her and from time to time I play them for people.

    She had a contagious laugh and a personality I can't describe. My kids, especially my youngest loved her. Oh I could tell you stories you would love to hear.

    My youngest had a science project in the 6 th grade and he had to bring in something. We brought in BETTY. LOL. He got an A+. Mom got a huge hug.

    She had so many theories on jet propulsion gained in an unusual way. She always wanted to take me to what she called her "strip" the "field", I would ask jokingly what she wanted to do with me on the strip or field and we would laugh. It was a strip where UFO's would slow down and come close flashing their lights. Now, she said she had taken a male reporter once there telling him "you have to stay in the car" well, he got so excited he got out and the beings got angry flying off. I regret never visiting her vistors. But the thought of having possible experiments done on me scared me off.

    I believe things happen for a reason, we meet the people we do for a reason, we are given the kids we are given for a reason, and I believe I met Betty for a reason.

    I was diagnosed with Non Hodgkins Lymphoma and not far later her dear niece was diagnosed with the same. I was happy to help Betty or to comfort her or her niece. She was very close to this niece. I offered her mine but after hearing she is a felon she turned down the offer.

    No, I didn't see the lights anywhere except at work or that idiot light that keeps popping up on my dashboard the one I always ignore I know it doesn't mean much.
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    We are headed for a One World Government and they need something to bring all the governments together...enter Global Warming...Reguardless of our carbon out put there is no provable science showing the warming cycle is man made and not just a normal cycle...common sense is not science...is not provable and there is no way to prove that if we stopped all burning of fossil fuel today that anything would change...You would have to be God to know the correct answer to those questions...

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    It might be just a natural thing, might be happening if cars ran on pepsi and no one farted. It might just be what it is. This might not be cause & effect. God is a woman.

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    Ian...humur me and tell me how global warming can be fixed and how much it will cost....how long it will take...and how we will know if what we did did anything...

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    The economists can work all that out Cass.

    And I am an economist, but I just don't have the time to do it at the moment.

    We know CO2 causes global warming and we know emissions have gone up.

    Warming caused by these will have economic and human costs and reducing CO2 emissions will also have costs.

    So we need to balance the marginal benefits (less economic and human costs) of dealing with climate change with the marginal costs of doing something about it (reducing emissions). Note that this does not mean ZERO emissions. That would be catastrophic. But it does not mean business as usual either. An optimal balance must be found.

    One way to deal with it would be to introduce taxes (poor Conservative "victims") to include the cost of emmissions and the damage they do in the price we pay for our goods and services, especially gas.

    Which would lead to less consumption of goods that are bad for the environment but also lead to the development of new technologies and jobs to get round paying these taxes associated with climate change.

    The problems only come if we do not adequately capture the distortions correctly e.g. taxing cut flowers from Kenya because they came by plane but ignoring the fact that US cut flowers use more carbon-intensive farming techniques (e.g. fertilisers) would be one such problem, because we might end up buying US flowers which are more damaging to the environment than Kenyan ones. There might also be distributional impacts if poor people disproportionately produce or consume high CO2 products, but any civil country could provide social safety nets to compensate adversely affected groups.

    It's really no different to a Christian State taxing the sale of alcohol and tobacco. Things that have hidden costs (even morally if you believe there is a God) have to be regulated.

    Which reminds me. We need to get rid of America's pesky State Governments. Washington rule for all! DC is the best. I should know because I live here and the Feds are a great bunch of guys.

    We are headed for a One World Government and they need something to bring all the governments together...enter Global Warming...
    Last edited by Ian Gills; 12-16-2009 at 11:03 AM.

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