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    What do the installation instructions say about it? The thing sits on the feet, is pretty heavy, but a ledger can ensure it can't tip a little.
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    Kohler's installation instructions say for the tub to sit on only its 4 machined feet.

    *However*, these feet are very skinny (<1/4" wide) and will sink into the floor unless placed on metal shims. Also, they are not necessarily in-plane with each other. The Kohler Villager I just installed had warped and its feet were 1/8" out-of-plane. Wobbly tub, leaky drain (eventually).

    I eventually used a ledger board (despite Kohler's instructions saying not to) and am glad I did. No wobble. No sinking into the floor. Rock solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Why did I try this? View Post
    If I wanted a ledger would the cast tub need to be set in place and then marks put on the wall? Or would I measure based on the specs and put on a level board and set the tub in once?
    I found it was an iterative process because the tub wasn't exactly true. Used deck screws to temporarily hold the ledger in place while I checked the tub for levelness and wobbles.

    Such is the nature of cast iron manufacturing I suppose. These beasts slump slightly as they cool, making them slightly different than spec.
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    Do the drains have to be installed prior to dropping the tub in place? I have an opening to the drain pipe from underneath but it is small and covered with a bunch of other pipes.

    Thank you

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    Hi, new to the forum. I want to replace the house old's (20+ years) Kohler spa bathtub with a regular Kohler Villager bathtub and have questions on the installation of the 7160 Bath Drain kit. Is there an instructional video somewhere that I can see?

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    http://www.us.kohler.com/us/ClearFlo...ngs/419723.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by jch View Post
    Kohler's installation instructions say for the tub to sit on only its 4 machined feet.

    *However*, these feet are very skinny (<1/4" wide) and will sink into the floor unless placed on metal shims. Also, they are not necessarily in-plane with each other. The Kohler Villager I just installed had warped and its feet were 1/8" out-of-plane. Wobbly tub, leaky drain (eventually).

    I eventually used a ledger board (despite Kohler's instructions saying not to) and am glad I did. No wobble. No sinking into the floor. Rock solid.
    Thinking that your tub is going to be level is like expecting the floor to be level or all the walls to be square.

    A perfect tub install is often the "Apperance of perfection" not perfection its self.

    The last Kohler tub I installed was out over a 1/16". No way to get it perfect on all three sides so I just set it in the middle. The criss cross apple sauce marks where money. Like taking the average and setting it there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jch View Post
    Kohler's installation instructions say for the tub to sit on only its 4 machined feet.

    *However*, these feet are very skinny (<1/4" wide) and will sink into the floor unless placed on metal shims. Also, they are not necessarily in-plane with each other. The Kohler Villager I just installed had warped and its feet were 1/8" out-of-plane. Wobbly tub, leaky drain (eventually).

    I eventually used a ledger board (despite Kohler's instructions saying not to) and am glad I did. No wobble. No sinking into the floor. Rock solid.
    Thinking that your tub is going to be level is like expecting the floor to be level or all the walls to be square.

    A perfect tub install is often the "Apperance of perfection" not perfection its self.

    The last Kohler tub I installed was out over a 1/16". No way to get it perfect on all three sides so I just set it in the middle. The criss cross apple sauce marks where money. Like taking the average and setting it there.


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    We set Villager and similar c.i. tubs on steel shims. The tricky bit, is getting the steel shims at the correct height. To do this, we check the feet of the tub to see where they line up and to verify if they're in-plane. Then, we use various thickness of plywood - without voids - to bring the steel to the correct height. We've tried the ledger bit, but the bottoms of the edges are often pretty rough, and removing/resetting c.i. tubs to get the ledger right is hard work and a pita. Not to mention, every time you set & reset one of these bad boys, you increase the risk of damaging something.

    The steel shims work. Once set and wall finishes installed, these things don't move. Ever.
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