I do not understand firearms in America

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Must be talking about the GOP. :D (The party of "no" as in no solutions, no plans, and no idea how to run a govt. or balance a checkbook.)

I don't think any of them are grounded in reality when it concerns budget issues. "No money? That's OK, we'll just vote to raise our own credit. What, we're voting on whether we get a raise or not........".
 

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Must be talking about the GOP. :D (The party of "no" as in no solutions, no plans, and no idea how to run a govt. or balance a checkbook.)

WHAT!!!

And you think the Dems do?...they just turn on the printing presses and crank out as much $$$ as they need...we will soon be needing pick up trucks to haul the $$$ to the store in order to buy a loaf of bread....you need to put on your glasses
 
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WHAT!!!

And you think the Dems do?...they just turn on the printing presses and crank out as much $$$ as they need...we will soon be needing pick up trucks to haul the $$$ to the store in order to buy a loaf of bread....you need to put on your glasses

I've been watching this fiasco unfold for a decade and am all too aware of the source of the problem. It's not the Democrats other than in "me too" fashion (see Blue Dogs.) Nope, they are stuck with the mess that the Dubya and crew have made. The Dems are getting the blame for this massive deficit...the one that GOP policies created. (FDR faced the same thing during the Great Depression.)

If you actually do an analysis of the deficit it is the result of Dubya/GOP untax & spend like a drunken sailor policies. Folks like me saw this train wreck coming back in 2000/2001...because we can competently operate a calculator. (And I'm not even a Gore supporter.) Squandering another 8 years of Soc. Security "surplus" by undertaxing was complete idiocy. And what did the undertaxing accomplish in the way of stimulus? The lowest economic growth rate since the Great Depression and a giant bubble with perverse incentives to investors and companies that have ended up destroying wealth rather than creating it. Combine that with deregulation/no enforcement and here we are.

Dems and Republicans unfortunately cater to the free lunch inclinations of the nation at large. Americans, particularly conservative Americans, have been unwilling to pay their debts or pay as they go. Americans have convinced themselves that they should get all these services...AND not pay any taxes. It's insane and completely unsustainable. The "answer" has been to borrow and print money. So far, the Chinese are still lending.

Govt. has to pay off debts in good times, so that it can borrow in bad. The road to disaster lies in doing what conservatives have done: borrowing to the hilt in good times and bad. It could be worse, if current conservatives got their way we would cut govt. spending during a recession...and cause a depression.

At some point we have to start paying our current bills again and service our debt. Either that or we have to start eliminating services. If we do start eliminating services I vote that we eliminate Soc. Security and Medicare for those 65-80 first (keep it available for those reaching those ages in following years.) They are the ones who've been taxing later generations for the past few decades keeping their own income taxes down while using their kids/grand kids' soc. security contributions to pay their unsustainable lifestyles. They are pulling out far more than they put in, so let them reap the benefits of their short term thinking. If paying for private health insurance and living off our own earnings/savings is good enough for the rest of us, why not for them to?
 
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I don't think any of them are grounded in reality when it concerns budget issues. "No money? That's OK, we'll just vote to raise our own credit. What, we're voting on whether we get a raise or not........".

I've long believed (at least two decades anyway) that pay for Federal judges, representatives, Senators, the President, etc. should be indexed to inflation the same as Social Security. In addition, minimum wage should be indexed the same way. They should not be able to raise or lower one without raising or lowering the other by the same percentage factor. (Dubya's pay was doubled over Clinton's...talk about a bad investment...reminiscent of all the money corporate CEO's/Bankers have raked in while pillaging their companies and wrecking the economy.)

I also believe capital gains/investments should be taxed just like any other income (and should include deductions for Social Security/Medicare taxes)...but only after indexing for inflation so you would have zero taxes on anything that didn't provide return at least as great as inflation. Ditto for interest/dividend income. That makes it a good news/bad news sort of thing. I'm tired of having a system arranged to encourage risky borrowing, and discourage saving.
 

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I have learnt that Scuba Dave once had a motor cycle and that Conservative America are the bad guys.

I am just so fiscally, socially and secksually liberal. Let's face it, liberals are much more fun to have parties with.
 

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I have put a windshield on since this pic, and took the back seat off

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Uh, oh, trouble in paradise, back seat gone, bike now built for one... lol. :)
 

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My brother has a MC and it scares the bejesus out of me that he'll come off one day.

Now I live in the US, I buy him all the great (and cheap) motorcycle clothing you have over here and send it home for presents at Christmas and birthdays. I've bought him lots of stuff made by Alpinestars. I love this site: www.kneedraggers.com

I want a bike with a turbo.

My brother on his 'real' bike wearing the leathers I bought him here, and the gloves and the...

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I've just sent him some Alpinestars boots for Christmas.
 
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Sorry to hear about your wife's brother Dave.
I was in an accident years ago with one, he did survive but it would had helped him, if he had worn a helmet, wasn't drunk, speeding and paid attention to the street signs. We both got quite hurt. I literally drove my car into the pole in order not to hit him straight on, I alway hope God remembers that and gives me extra points, lol. :)
 
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Ian - I think your problem(s) with trying to understand America, is you keep trying to relate it to the UK.

You keep thinking it's a single country, the way England is a country - it's not - it never was.

It's a confederation of States, that slowly grew more & more centralized. Instead of trying to compare it to England, try comparing it to what the EU might be like, in a couple hundred years.
 

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who do you call when you need work done??

I have learnt that Scuba Dave once had a motor cycle and that Conservative America are the bad guys.

I am just so fiscally, socially and secksually liberal. Let's face it, liberals are much more fun to have parties with.

I say...let the printing presses run,,,,,
print money till its going out of style..
lets just piss it all down the drain...


those dirty converative bastards dont want to party and have fun....
alll those bastards want to do is work steady and work hard.
day in and day out..... no parties ....
all those dull S.o.bs want to to is go to church on Sundays....

thats not for us liberals, ...no sireee....

I say...
give everyone what they want till we run out
of countries willing to buy our debt..
and no one will loan us any more.....


I say .....party hearty, marty....
get blissfully drunk... smoke a bunch of grass,
and reproduce with anything that even resembles human
make more of those anchor babies.....

do whatever it takes to keep you numb and stupid to what
is going on all around you....

and vote for the clown who will give you the most
free benefits and bigger welfare checks...


the big question is ..
Whats gonna happen when China finally calls in their note...???.

Now that day will be a very sobering event...

when their is nothing left to share..
and all them free benefits and welfare checks stop comming.
and then its basically everyone for themselves...

Ian.......when all the free-loaders start getting hungry.....
thats the day when you will understand why a lot of the hard
working people here have guns.....


Rome is burning down to the ground.........
 
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It's a confederation of States, that slowly grew more & more centralized. Instead of trying to compare it to England, try comparing it to what the EU might be like, in a couple hundred years.

We'd save a whole lot of money of we got rid of the pesky States.

thats not for us liberals, ...no sireee....

Mark is a democrat. How delightful.
 

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scares the hell out of you ...dont it??

:D
We'd save a whole lot of money of we got rid of the pesky States.



Mark is a democrat. How delightful.

sorry Ian, I could not resist ranting and
raveing a little bit......:D.

installed a water heater today, cleaned out a drain,
and repaired a toilet...
and now I just got a call on a Rheem water heater

but i am gonna go out and rake the leaves,
I get clean up the yard on my free time.....THATS CALLED WORK

ho hum ....but someone has got to do all this mundane petty dirty work
no one else is gonna do it for me....

or the party for all the rest of us will come to an adbrupt halt


Ian....
didnt England used to sell slaves to the united States
a long time ago??
 
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I get clean up the yard on my free time.....THATS CALLED WORK

The Socialist in me does my elderly neighbor's yard too! That's called WORKING FOR THE COMMON GOOD.

didnt England used to sell slaves to the united States
a long time ago??

Yeah, we were in on that game. Just like we taxed your ancestors and sent the money to London to pay for my ancestors' lifestyle. Thanks Mark. You did good.
 
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