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    Default Re Routing Stack of drains and water lines

    Hello Everyone
    I'm remodeling my kitchen and need some advice as the quotes I've gotten from plumbers have ranged literally from $600 to $15,000 dollars. Now I am by no means a plumber, but I am certain that this part of our remodel job is less than 2k. That said looking the picture, what I want to do is open up the upper kitchen wall (between kitchen and living room) and leave the countertop/lower cabinets, creating a peninsula with breakfast bar. The sink will remain where it is (marked in the photo on my post below this).

    As I see it, this means
    1)Either the pipes will have to be run through the ceiling and down the right side of the wall (where you see the small rectangle cut out) or

    2) It will run through the ceiling and to the back of the kitchen, where the water originates into the unit.

    Any advice suggestions on how much this should cost? We have been told my most plumbers we have had out, that it's not a difficult job but the quotes we are getting are all over the place.

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    Your picture and description are too vague to make a decision. How much wall are you cutting out? What are the pipes on the left side and will they be in the way of the opening? Where is the sink now? Where is the existing drain. It may be that neither of your options is the best one.

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    Default Hopefully this makes it clearer

    Ok, I took a new photo and marked it up- hopefully this will help. The second photo is how we hope for it to look.

    I should add that we are a bottom duplex in a 2 duplex (town home style) building. There are no load bearing walls, and our bottom floor is concrete. We have a full bathroom upstairs above where these pipes are. We are planning to keep the kitchen sink where it is.

    If you look at the first photo, you can see (in the back of the kitchen) the door to the laundry/water heater room. This is where the water comes into the unit. Also, those two drains you see in the photo run to the back of the kitchen as well (under the cement).

    We have been told we have 2 options: either reroute the drains/pipes through the ceiling, over to the right (empty) wall, and back down to the original location of those pipes in the cement, OR, reroute the pipes back through the ceiling (capping off the original drains in the floor) and towards the back of the kitchen, where the water originates. I dont know exactly how this works, but it is what we have been told.

    We will be digging into the concrete as it is, since we are moving that laundry room/water heater, and adding a shower to a bathroom that is also on the first level. (If you are looking at the photo, it is in the back left of the photo.) So more digging into the cement is not a big deal.

    If there is anything else I can clarify, please let me know!
    Thanks for your help!
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    Yes, but you will have to drop the header above the opening to get enough pitch on the pipes coming across. I'll do the job for $ 11,500.00 and throw in a new faucet

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    Thanks, Peter.

    We have been told that a header will not be necessary, as there will be a way to run it out through the ceiling first and then back into the wall, keeping the correct pitch.

    I appreciate your amazing "offer", but I am really looking for advice from master plumbers or contractors who can give me something constructive to work with.

    Thanks!

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    Oh come on... alright you got me, I'll come down to 11 grand even but that's a bargain and I'm loosing money

    So that's not a load bearing wall?

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    Hah!

    Tempting, Peter... tempting!

    You are correct, that is not a load bearing wall.

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    Then by all means drill away......




    Ok Ok 10 thousand 500 but that's my final offer....

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    I'd feel really scared about re-routing a neighbor's drain. Is that really allowed in This Great Country?

    It would ceratinly raise a few eyebrows in England.

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    God bless America.

    Bottom line is I'm looking for someone who knows what they're talking about to give me some constructive advice. I'm not interested in bogus prices or anything of the sort. I've been told this is a serious website where you can find good advice and from what I've read, it seems to hold true.

    So lets get some real discourse going on here. If not, please by pass my thread. Thanks

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    I did give you good advice, I said to go ahead with what you had proposed. Now if you want me to tell you what fittings and how much pipe to buy that's something different altogether and honestly, even though the pictures are pretty good, without being there I just can't go that far out on a limb.

    And hey, what's bogus, I came in a full $ 4,500.00 under your top bid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    I'd feel really scared about re-routing a neighbor's drain. Is that really allowed in This Great Country?

    It would ceratinly raise a few eyebrows in England.
    I think that could be an issue. I'm sure you'll need their permission. Have you spoken with them (yet)?

    You're going to have to open up the ceiling and that wall to the right anyways (you don't want to be paying the plumber to do it), so do it now and take some pictures for us to see.

    I don't see a problem with what you've shown as far as running them to the right, down and then over provided you can maintain the pitch. You may not need to run them in the concrete, but you might have to get creative as how to support the counter and any wall above it.

    What material and size are the drain lines, cast or abs? I'm assuming they're ABS because that insulation is probably to cut down on the noise. I highly recommend that you put insulation back for the same reason.

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    Thanks for the insight.

    Yes we spoke to the neighbors about it. They are ok with having their water shut off while their drain is moved.

    Once the wall is gone, there will be no wall above it. On the other side will be base cabinets, so those will support the countertop.

    The pipe is abs- I want to say 4". The contractors have all said it will be replaced with PVC I believe.


    We are doing all of the demo, which should save a bit in costs. I will open that section up and take a photo as soon as I can.

    What do you all think a reasonable price would be for a contractor to do this?

    Is there another way you can think of to do this more effectively?

    Thanks for everyone's comments!

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    Come on man, I've already come down as far as I can and still put food on my table

    sorry, but you can't ask prices here. We don't do that. Get at least three and pick the guy you feel the most comfortable with. Doing all the demo should save you a few bucks and it really does not look like a big project to me, about a half day for a couple guys.

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    It's pretty hard to nail down a price on the internet. What costs $1000 in VA may run $2500 in AZ and $4500 in NY.

    For the ranges in quotes that you recieved, was that for identical work? Some of those quotes may be for just the rerouting of the pipe, others may include ceiling repair, insulation and paint.
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