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    Lightbulb Do faucets with ceramic valve worth the price?

    Hello -
    I'm shopping for new faucet for bathroom. I like the 8" wide spread in antique finish. There is a lot of price difference between the regular brand and the brands "sold by interior designers"! The Delta faucet from Home Depot costs about $200, while the similar one from California faucet costs about $600!! I was told by a designer that the California faucet uses "ceramic valve" which is much better than what Delta uses. (I don't know what Delta uses.) And Delta might leak in a year. Is this true? Does it really worth the outrageous price to use this valve? I definitely don't want to spend that much. But I'm a bit unsure if I should go with Delta due to the designer's comment. Any advice on the brands? Thanks in advance.

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    Talking designers and comissions

    remember that the designer
    might be pushing the 600 faucet because
    thier could be a comission in it for him

    he probably knows very little about the workings of
    any faucet, but whats only in "style " with the rich an infamous.

    If you buy the Delta, you wont go wrong.

    Spend the 400 dollar saveings by takeing your wife
    out for a nice dinner, ask the designer if he knows
    of any good restraunts.
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    Thank you both! The faucet poll is great, Terry! And I do agree I think designer is probably focus on what looks nice first. I trust plumbers' opinions when it comes to faucets. You guys probably fixed a lot of faucets and know which brands have what problems!
    I still don't know what the ceramic valve does that's better than regular valve for faucets. If anyone could help on this that would be great.
    Btw, I'm a female. And I can take my husband on a nice dinner. Thanks for the suggestion.

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    Talking take him to Mcdonalds

    If you saved him 400 , let him know
    about it , then get yourself something nice...

    IMHO --all the ceranamic cartridge is about is just another varation on

    the DELTA design....a copy of the Dellta basic PATENT...

    I believe its two peices of ceranamic slideing across each other

    instead of a cartridge slideing across a rubber gasket like in the

    Delta design..... to shut off the water ....


    the ceranimac is suppposed to in theory
    last forever and will never wear out...
    and maybe it will last forever,
    but if it dont , you are probably in trouble


    but the Delta will on average last about 25+ years ,
    and is very, very easy to repair
    so what more do you want??

    a night out danceing on the town??

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    All of the better faucets now use ceramic discs, not just the $600 ones. In fact the $600, or more, faucet may be using the mechanism from a $150 faucet and you are really paying the difference for the fancy handles and spout. I personally do not use Delta or Moen widespread faucets because the plastic parts have a tendency to break somewhat easily.

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    I don't remember that any plumber on any internet forum I have seen ever criticized a Delta faucet. Their seat and spring design is time-proven. Now, it is rubber and every 5 to 10 years will need to be replaced. Maybe more often if heavily used. Changing seats is very easy. In theory ceramic seats should last a lifetime; but there are good ones and bad ones, just like everything else. And a cartridge will be $10 to $30 compared to a buck for a Delta seat.

    It is very important to get a faucet you like the looks of.. It's your house and you have to look at it. But cost vs. style vs reliability all have to be balanced out and then make your choice.

    Look how many people paid a design showroom outrageous prices for Broadway faucets, and now Broadway has just said "adios, amigos; good luck finding any parts!"

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    I should add that if you want a Delta faucet with ceramic disc valves, some of the "Teck" series have that.

    I mentioned how I love the Delta seats. I should also mention I have not always been in love with Delta's designs. Just personal taste. I have not chosen any Delta faucets in my own house. Yes, Moen and American Standard make nice faucets as well. Many folks are sold on PricePfister, but they are not my favorite. Have we made your choice easier? !!

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    I agree with you guys too.
    Delta is a good choice.

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    Talking the delta design....

    others copy the DELTA design now that the patent has
    run out on it.....that has to tell you something...


    today, I repaired a 1975 delta single
    handle tub and shower faucet

    working in hard well water....

    Installed a new ball, new springs , and washers, new cam....

    all the new parts basically plastic,
    exactly like what was in the unit since 1975

    and I would guess it will be around for another 20 years or so...
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    the fiberglas shower unit it was in looked like it was
    about ready to fall apart, but the faucet is good to go again...



    I guarantee that Price Fister, Kohler,
    Moen and American standard would
    have all been a nightmare to repair ,

    that is if you could still get them apart,
    then find parts for them (this week)
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    I hope the new ball was not plastic. That was not one of their better decisions.

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    Talking thats ture

    yes , you are right, it was s SS ball I used, my mistake..

    what I took out was an old plastic one...75 vinatge..

    waht I rememeber about the troubles they were
    having were with the single handle 400 kitchen faucets.
    weating out on the old palstic ball...

    i ondt recall that the single handle tub faucets ever caused
    any major greif

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    Mark, I echo your thoughts about the Delta.
    It's always been a good replacement faucet.
    Was a brass ball, then the got competitive and used the plastic one, but you could always use ss replacement balls.
    They changed the shape of the washers and springs one time.
    So easy to repair.......

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    Default What're seat and spring in faucet?

    Thank you all for the recommendations! Special thanks for info on series of Delta faucet that use ceramic disc.

    I don't like the Delta design as much as the designer brand. The handles of the victorian style I'm looking at is rather short. I like the longer handles better. But when considering the price, I'm ok to live with the not-as-nice design. I'd rather save money.

    I'm puzzled by the plumber terms - seat and spring. What are they??

    Mark, perhaps you could have museum of all vintage parts and fixtures you have. Just kidding!!!

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    The Delta seat is a small cup shaped rubber piece which is flat on the bottom and has hole thru the the middle. What we would call the bottom of the seat faces UP, and the spring presses it against either a ball or flat bottomed cartridge. As the ball or cartridge is turned to the ON position, a hole lines up over the middle of the seat and water passes through. Although it is a rubber piece, which will not last indefinitely, the design is such that the wear on the rubber is way less than the twisting and tearing that a flat compression washer undergoes. Hence the longevity. It is a design which has been in use for I believe 40 years or more, and is very reliable. As someone mentioned, since the patent ran out, several brands including Glacier Bay, Economy, and EZ Flo have copied it. Valley also cloned it many years ago.

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