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    Default New Construction, Toilet Rough In Waaaaay Off

    Ok Guys.....first post here......need some advice.

    I am in the midst of building a new home on Mobile, AL. We are at the point where ceramic tile has been put down (not grouted yet) and toilets have been set. All three toilets have been roughed in in the wrong spot. The 1/2 Bath toilet in my house has the tank 7" off the wall. The other two toilets are noticably not centered......the 2nd bath toilet is prob off by 7"-8" to one side. It is 15" off of the closest wall......but not centered in the space.

    My question is.....

    Should I leave well enough alone and just live with this or have the plumber fix it. It will involve busting concrete and moving lines and relaying tile. The general contractor said he backchecked the locations of these drains prior to the concrete pour. He also missed the location of the drains on both tubs and had to chip concrete in both tub drain wells to find the drain pipe.

    Another fiasco.....his standard install was Briggs toilets. I asked him what the upcharge would be to install Toto Drake's........he quoted $97 additional per toilet for the Toto's. I said....what a bargain....go for it. Now.....they are in my house......wrong location......and they are the Toto Carusoe......not Drakes.

    Gotta love it.

    Am I asking for trouble later down the line if I have them bust the slab and move these toilets?

    So far in this entire process......the plumber has not impressed me at all.

    Any info would be greatly appreciated.

    Ron

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    You know you don't want to live with any of these screw ups. I would take whatever steps necessary to make this jerk fix the problems, but if that fails, have a real plumber do the job. Then take the first guy to court.

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    The Toto Carusoe has a 2" flapper and washdown bowl
    The Toto Drake has a 3" flapper and siphon jet bowl.

    I wouldn't worry about being "centered" on the toilets.
    You do have at least 15" from center to wall. That works.

    Seven inches behind the tank?
    Now, that's a mistake.

    You could live with 2" or so.
    It is a concrete slab pour, and things happen.

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    Not knowing the layout under the floor or seeing the bathroom layout causes us a problem trying to determine if moving the toilet that is 7" off would be easy hard or not realistic at this point...If you have to live with the 7" screw up...demand that Drakes get put in like what was agreed to...They should change them reguardless of the other problems anyway but with a 7" screw up it gives you more leverage.

    Not coming to some kind of agreement and going to court could cause move in delays. I know of people who were delayed by years because of litigation....

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    I have photos of all of the plumbing that is under the slab before it was covered.....so knowing what is there is not an issue. I am going to discuss it with my builder this AM and get his thoughts.

    Am I asking fro trouble later by braking this slab if we do go that route. I am thinking of a foundation issue rather than a plumbing issue.

    Should we dowel some rebar into the existing slab prior to re-pouring the area that was chiseled out.

    Also.....the 1/2 Bath where the tank is 7" off the wall. This outs the bowl of the toilet in the door way. There is also going to be a pedestal sink in there which has not been installed yet. Not sure how much room is going to be between the pedestal sink and the toilet.

    Also.....would it be worthwhile to have them saw cut it first?

    Thanks

    Ron

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    The thing that will have to be determined is who is at fault for the screw up because that is who will be charged for cost of the work to fix it....

    I would rebar after saw cutting like you said and for what its worth use concrete bonder on the cold joints...

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    It is obviously the plumber's error. Nothing has changed on the plans to put the blame elsewhere.

    RRP

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    Who contracted with the plumber...If the GC then the plumber is his problem and your beef is with the GC....

    If you contracted the plumber then the problem is yours...
    Last edited by Cass; 09-21-2009 at 06:37 AM.

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    I have not contracted with anyone......the GC is handling that. So....with that said.....I guess it is the GC's issue.

    RRP

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    Yup...there you go...you just tell the GC that it is not acceptable and needs to be fixt right and that the wrong toilets are installed and go from there...

    Good Luck...let us know how it goes...

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    Default Updates with Pics.........

    So....talked with the GC and he at least agreed that the toilet that is 7" from the wall needs to be moved. Now.....my question is what is the best way to do it. I was thinking.....could I use a 14" Rough In with a 1 1/2" Offset Flange? I really do not want to bust the foundation unless it is reallt necessary.

    Here is a pic





    Here is a shot of the other two. Not as bad....prob will not do anything with them. I may chat with him about putting an offset on the master bath.....(pic without the tub) to move it to the left 1 1/2". I am talking of the offset that are full flow.





    It just makes me mad that I am paying over 300K to build a new house and I am going to have to live with it like this or break the slab. Something that should never have to be done.

    Anyway.....advice on how to best fix the one that is 7" off the wall is the prioroty.

    Any help is greatly appreciated.

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    As Cass pointed out, your GC selected the plumber and is the one who is responsible for signing off on their work. It's the GC's responsiblity to make sure it is right.

    Why in the heck would he tile this before realizing it was FUBAR? That's a problem with the GC. It doesn't look like either of the professionals (plumber or GC) has a clue. You would think in this housing environment the GC would be able to get the very best plumber for a reasonable price. Instead, it looks like he tried to pocket some cash by hiring a screw up. Time to show the GC the foolishness of the greedy cost shaving he attempted.

    And definitely make them put in the toilet you agreed to, for the price you agreed to.
    Last edited by Runs with bison; 09-21-2009 at 07:30 PM.

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    This thread makes my brain hurt.

    What kind of hacks do the sheetrock... tape... tile... paint... install the toilet... do anything to that bathroom... with this situation in front of their face every day?

    It'd be obvious from the day framing was started - the minute you laid out the plates.

    I don't understand... I just... don't... understand.
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    And I thought I had plumber problems At least mine does a good job when he DOES show up even if he is SUPER slow.
    I certainly wouldn't be happy with any of those toilets - it would bug the **** out of me every time I looked or sat on it!
    Call Mike Holmes:

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    Needless to say I am not very happy. I have been back checking and watching everything as it goes up. The GC checked the layout of the plumbing rough in and I trusted that it was done. Shooting myself now for not doing it myself. Guess the saying that you do not get what you expect, you get what you inspect is true.

    I never did notice the rough in for the 1/2 Bath toilet being off until the actual toilet was installed. It is almost like a closet....no real reson to go in there.

    Also......this is supposedly his top notch "Master Plumber". Go Figure.

    I have a call into him this AM to discuss a path forward.

    RRP

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