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    Default small powder room, 4.5' wide by 4.0' deep

    Greetings from a newbie.

    Background: I'm redoing the powder room which is small (4.5' wide by 4.0' deep). I have a 19" wide wall mounted sink (17" deep) with about 2 1/2" of space to the wall (to the right of the sink as you face it). My present toilet is about 26" to 27" deep from the back wall (I took off the tank and discarded it before I measured it). The toilet is to the left of the sink as you face it. I do not want to re-size the room or move the plumbing.

    I just read a forum topic on Toto toilets today. I was impressed with what Terry said about the Toto Guinevere model. My question is two fold: Do you think the Guinevere would be too big; and Can anyone recommend a small pedestal or wall mounted sink that would match with the Guinevere toilet? Unfortunately, the Guinevere pedestal sink is too wide. I like the design of the Guinevere and the other attributes that I read in the spec sheet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. (I don't know if it's common to mix and match sinks and toilets with new renovations). By the way, I like the Kohler iron works lavatory (k-28822-1W) but it may be too pricey. I'm wondering if the white colors match?

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    The Guinevere would be about 29" from the wall to the end of the bowl.
    That leaves 19" in front of the bowl.

    The Whites are pretty close, not not perfect.

    Four feet wide is pretty narrow. Most codes would call for 30" and 30"
    Though I've seen old bathrooms that used 24" and 24"
    I don't know where they put their arms.

    Last edited by Terry; 07-11-2009 at 07:44 AM.

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    The distance from the toilet opening to the side of the lavatory will determine whether a toilet will work, regardless of the space between the sink and the wall, because the tank cannot be wider than twice that distance.

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    Default messed up on reporting dimensions!

    I apologize for the following faux pas: My powder room is 4 feet deep and 4.5 feet wide. I reversed the numbers above. Any changes to your thoughts?

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    I lived in one home that was 47" deep in the Master bath.
    It worked, tight though.

    Your knees are in the same place whether you have a round or an elongated bowl.

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    Terry,

    Based on your knee comment above, is there any other reason to choose round over elongated other than aesthetics?

    Thanks,
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    The only reason to go with round, is to save some money, or the room is tiny.

    The round or regular bowl was never a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    The only reason to go with round, is to save some money, or the room is tiny.

    The round or regular bowl was never a good idea.
    Thank you, sir!

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post

    Your knees are in the same place whether you have a round or an elongated bowl.
    I realize this is an old post, but -- could you explain, please? I just assumed that if the bowl extends further, as an elongated bowl does, your knees would extend further, too.

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    One's behind is planted in basically the same place in a round or an elongated version of the same model. Put another way, the distance between one's back and the front of the tank is the same in either model. The elongated bowl puts china underneath more of the person, but the person is sitting in the same place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
    One's behind is planted in basically the same place in a round or an elongated version of the same model. Put another way, the distance between one's back and the front of the tank is the same in either model. The elongated bowl puts china underneath more of the person, but the person is sitting in the same place.
    Okay, I get it. But the "stand up, turn around" space is reduced with an elongated bowl. Is that correct?

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    A little, yes. The china protrudes more into the room. By an inch or two with respect to the toilets we are discussing, I think. I frankly don't think it's a huge deal. Maybe you can take a box (or other item) about the height of the bowl and put it where the round would protrude to and then to where the elongated would protrude to, by measuring from the wall. That might help you imagine better whether it's a big deal. You can walk around both, stand in front of both, etc. Remember to add the 3/4" off-the-wall distance to the measurement you are making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
    A little, yes. The china protrudes more into the room. By an inch or two with respect to the toilets we are discussing, I think. I frankly don't think it's a huge deal.
    In my space, which measures only 43", every inch counts.

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    Oh, I know. I have been following the thread. But I think you don't get a real sense of how important or unimportant it is until you mock it up, which is a very useful thing to do when you have a concern like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
    Oh, I know. I have been following the thread. But I think you don't get a real sense of how important or unimportant it is until you mock it up, which is a very useful thing to do when you have a concern like this.
    I'm trying to keep the new toilet "footprint" approximately the same as the existing one. I don't need to "mock it up" because I have the actual space to work with.

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