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    Default What is this fitting called? Need help finding a new one!

    I am trying to locate a shower drain fitting but having no luck. Been to all the local stores and have done an exhaustive search online with no results. It is the weekend so I can't call a plumbing supply house for help, thought I would try here.

    I have a shower setup that isn't the normal way so I have to improvise. For whatever reason when they built this house 40 years ago they put the shower drain about 2 1/2 feet from the commode. I removed a cheap square 32" shower stall that sat on a raised tray and the drain was plumbed over to the cast iron pipe in the concrete. This is in a basement. I am putting in a corner shower stall but the drain isn't anywhere near the shower base drain opening. I am using a masonry blade in my circular saw and air chisel with my compressor to make a trench in the concrete to lower the plumbing down enough to fit under the new shower base.

    I am trying to replace this fitting because I tore it up removing the old shower stall. The fitting has a 2" threaded opening that attached to the shower drain and a horizontally located 1 1/2" non threaded opening for pvc pipe. On the bottom of the fitting it says, "PVC-DWV NO.82.305 WHITE US Patent NO. 3895398. I searched on google with these numbers with no luck as well.

    If anyone has any idea what this thing is called or where I could get one please let me know. Pictures provided below...

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    Where are you located? The reason I ask is because that would never meet code and the PVC looks like irrigation pipe. There needs to be a 2" PVC line sloped 1/4" per foot to the main line with a 2" p-trap and riser directly underneath the drain of the shower. Since you're already planning on trenching the concrete slab, there is no need to find that fitting again and you can bring this new shower's drain line up to code now.
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    They used a tub shoe:



    It is typically used as part of the waste and overflow for a bath tub:

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    Default tub shoe?

    It doesn't look that much like whats in your pictures. Are you sure.

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    Default in response to Inaquagmire...

    I live in PA so being up to code isn't a big deal here. No required plumbing lic. or electricians lic either, for that matter, the only problem I would run into would be a home inspector getting inquisitive sometime in the future, I am not that concerned really.

    I was hoping to go with a similiar setup like I took out so I am not chiseling and cutting all kinds of concrete out of the floor. With my luck around here I would go all the way through the concrete floor and hit the water tables, flooding the basement. I want to make this as painless as possible. Thats why I am looking for this same type fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iminaquagmire View Post
    Where are you located? The reason I ask is because that would never meet code and the PVC looks like irrigation pipe. There needs to be a 2" PVC line sloped 1/4" per foot to the main line with a 2" p-trap and riser directly underneath the drain of the shower. Since you're already planning on trenching the concrete slab, there is no need to find that fitting again and you can bring this new shower's drain line up to code now.

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    The tub shoe would be 1 1/2" and you said 2" so it is one weird fitting.
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    Your setup appears to not have any trap, which is not only against code, is a very bad idea for both health and your nose. Neither does it have a vent. The fact that it drained is not the issue. Since it goes a ways, then drops down, it appears you have enough depth to do this right.
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    The P trap is farther away, downstream, and yes this is legal and it has been discussed in recent threads here. We cold ask the original poster whether there was much or any gunk in the pipe.

    The fitting in question performs that same function as a "tight elbow" under an ADA lav. or as already mentioned, a tub shoe. Search on tight elbow. Geniescience

    This is not a lav, it's a shower.
    Shower should have 2" p-traps, not that tiny little section of pipe and pressure 90's that he's showing. The whole thing is a mess,
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    Just take a sledgehammer to it.
    The concrete that is.

    You can't micky mouse that stuff in like that.
    Bust the concrete, and put in a new p-trap, this time in the right location.
    You could have moved it by now qucker then what it takes to post these pictures.
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    I just did a shower drain repipe for someone that "Didn't care about the code" when they added a shower. cause when they went to sell the house the inspector caught it was not up to code and not properly vented. It cost the person just a little over $1400 for just the plumbing repairs, that is not including replacing the tile, drywall and other things that had to get torn out to make things right.

    While you have it apart, DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!! Somewhere on this forum I quoted an old 1917 code book that hit the nail on the head about taking short cuts and such is not a way to save money even if it seems like you are. Cause in the long run you WILL have problems.

    If you come to the internet for advice from the pro's and then tell them they are full of themselves and you do not need to do things right just makes the pro's not want to help you. Us Pro's have been apprenticed for years, and some of us even had to take 5 years of schooling to get our license. Our knowledge is valuable and we are here freely giving our knowledge of plumbing to people that need or want help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geniescience View Post
    The P trap is farther away, downstream, and yes this is legal and it has been discussed in recent threads here. We cold ask the original poster whether there was much or any gunk in the pipe.

    The fitting in question performs that same function as a "tight elbow" under an ADA lav. or as already mentioned, a tub shoe. Search on tight elbow.
    But the problem is its just dumping into a floor drain = not right or code.

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    Default OK, what about the fitting?

    I never expected to see so much "political grandstanding" as I have on these posts. I still haven't received an answer to my original question, what is this fitting? No name for it, a website where I can purchase one, etc...

    I do appreciate some of the posts that actually helped but some of you guys sound like you may take advantage of some of your customers who don't really have a clue and try to scare them into "bringing everything up to code" when in fact you could make a simple fix and charge the customer an honest fee. I can think of one example, an old lady I know had a commode that wasn't sealed properly, it was leaking onto the floor when she flushed. She had a plumber come over with the snake and camera, he proposed to do a $1500 job running the camera all the way up the pipes to where she connected to the city sewer main. I know thats pretty drastic but there are people that get away with those types of shenanigans.

    You must realize some of us homeowners are capable of making sound decisions and making something work, even if it doesn't meet code. And it will work safely, effectively and maintain safe health. Fortunately, I don't live in the Peoples Republic of Mass or Conn or NY, where some of you are that doesn't have a heavy handed govt. watching how many gallons of water I flush down the drain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfls45 View Post
    You must realize some of us homeowners are capable of making sound decisions and making something work, even if it doesn't meet code. And it will work safely, effectively and maintain safe health. Fortunately, I don't live in the Peoples Republic of Mass or Conn or NY, where some of you are that doesn't have a heavy handed govt. watching how many gallons of water I flush down the drain.
    I don't see your trap so I couldn't say whether it was up to code or not but traps have been code standard mainly for health reasons for a long time.

    Talk about political grandstanding. Regardless of code, there is a right way or a wrong way to do something. Doing it right doesn't mean fearing an inspector looking over your shoulder.
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    You have definitely made a sound decision by continuing to post to this thread. We will, hopefully, persuade you to get your shower done right and not just good enuff.
    Done right is getting rid of the dirty arm that was originally there and have a p-trap where the shower drains down into. You already have the concrete busted up so you are well on your way.
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    Default thanks for the help

    naw, I located a plumbing supply house that has the same fitting and I'm going to do it my way. build a base and have it slope over and run into the same pipe thats there now.

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