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    Default Price Phister AVANTE, removing mixing valve cartridge

    I have what I was told by the guy at the hardware store is a Price Phister (AVANTE) valve. I tried to remove the old cartridge with no luck.
    Is there a retainer clip or screw from the back holding the cartridge in place?
    Is it just mineral build up? Any ideas for mineral removal woud be great.
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    grab hold of the stem with a pair of vice grips and give it a sharp outward tub.


    You do have the water turned off, right???

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    grab hold of the stem with a pair of vice grips and give it a sharp outward tub.


    You do have the water turned off, right???
    I used the knob (screwed back on) and pulled 'till I thought the copper would break. Wouldn't that be the same as vise grips?

    Yes the waters off, but thanks for checking. I've been known to do some bone headed things in my life.

    Is this a PP AVANTE?

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    went on there web site no luck.

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    Take the handle off, then reinsert the screw part way. THEN grab the stem with the pliers, push in, then YANK outwards quickly. You may have to do it several times but it will come out. Pulling on the handle is NOT the same.

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    Anyone know of a universal 'slide-hammer' style cartridge removing tool?
    If not, maybe i can make a million bucks

    Right now i am developing a cartrige removal "Handy Kit":

    Large vise grips
    Large hammer
    Larger hammer
    band-aids
    duct tape (for plumber's mouth to prevent cussing)

    a nice selection of new valves
    more duct tape (for customer's mouth)

    hmm....
    what else should be included?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Lloyd View Post
    hmm....
    what else should be included?
    I would suggest a roll of duct tape...

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    OK, I need the duct tape!

    Great tip on putting the screw back in before pulling. I added a little rigidity to the pipe by placing my knee on the diverter spout before pulling.

    BINGO!
    Wait a minute...O c*@#...part of its still in there.
    Picture shows old (white) and new with piece missing.
    HELP NEEDED!!!
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    Phil lloyd, at least your removal kit doesn't have any new items to take up space in the tool box, but your universal puller with all the adapters which would be needed would require finding a spot to put them. Some place where you would remember where it was when you actually needed it once every few years or so.

    Do you have a flashlight and a screwdriver. If the piece is still in there, and not on the bottom of the bathtub, all you have to do is pull it out. It is just a piece of rubber, and possibly a chip of plastic.
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    Thumbs up

    Yep, got it. Used a small pick, and it came out in two pieces.
    Thanks.
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    Less than two years later the valve is leaking again. It's not dripping in the off position, instead it is leaking water from the handle stem and blowing it back towards the wall when it is on.
    Will a new cartridge solve this or is the valve body shot? House is almost 30 years old.

    I answered my own question when I removed it. The small end was broken off and remained in the valve body. I was able to modify a small screwdriver and pulled the remainder out.
    My question for the real plumbers is why was it broken? Did I over tighten it on install? Is there some formula for proper install?

    Thanks in advance for your input. I still have another one to do.
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    It was broken because Price Pfister had a bad batch of stems. All the new ones are good ones, but one plumber had to go through about 10 of the old ones before he found one which did not come apart. I had several which did it, but now have the new ones. Call 1-800-PFAUCET and PP will send you a new Avante stem. Then you can put the one you bought, or the new one, back into its package and return it.
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    Default Avante Valve - Upgrading the trim?

    Decided to tag on to this post since there are some experts on this particular model from Price Pfister...

    I have ordered the following trim to replace my outdated brass avante trim from home depot online:
    Price Pfister - R897CBK

    http://www.************.com/price-pfister-r89-7cbk-single-handle-shower-only-trim-with-rain-shower-showerhead-from-the-avalon-series/p189079

    I am not certain what kind of valve I have, but I assume I have an 0x9 series valve which should work with this new trim.

    My existing valve looks like this: Name:  CIMG0383.jpg
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    Do i need to make any other special preparations to attach the new trim to the old valve? I replaced the cartridge about a year ago, so the valve works great. I want to avoid roughing in a new valve at all costs).

    Thanks!

    Braden

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    1. The opening in the wall will be larger than the new round trim ring will cover.
    2. The new ring will NOT be secured with screws like the present one is.
    3. If you can replace the valve body with a new one using the available opening, then I have used "backup" trim rings from other manufacturers to cover the oversized hole in the wall.

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    Hello hj,

    Thank you for responding to the above issue from the OP. It's great that this forum has such terrific members.

    Sincerely,

    The Pfister Team

    Pfister is a part of the Stanley Black & Decker Hardware and Home Improvement (BDHHI) Group.

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