The statement in bold above is nothing but hog wash and anyone who makes this statement doesn't have a clue about electrical current and needs some formal training.Is it a good idea to plug a PC,laptop,stereo etc. into a GFCI outlet?
Just as i have learned a refrigerator should not get a gfci outlet due to the potential food spoilage it can cause.Might it do similar with regards to a data loss/memory loss etc. with a PC/laptop?
The statement in bold above is nothing but hog wash and anyone who makes this statement doesn't have a clue about electrical current and needs some formal training.
Any thing that uses electrical currnet can be plugged into a GFCI without concern of loss of anything.
The statement in bold above is saying that in the event of a power failure all your food spoil. Just like with a power failure you know that the refrigerator isn't working and take measures to stop from losing the food unless someone is just to stupid to know that the refrigerator isn't working.
I appreciate your reply rock of marne. Actually your one sentence answers two of my questions about gfci outlets...... I will consult a professional electrical contractor locally regarding other questions and if gfci outlets are the best option to be installed here.
You might would want to contact UL at UL.com and ask them the same question you have posted here as well as asking about any appliance including a refrigerator being plugged into a GFCI.
They are the ones that puts their labels on these appliances and if there is anyone who can give you a straight answer I would think they would be the one.
just as nothing connects to the equipment grounding conductors in those remote 120 volt units. Everything is grounded to the grounded (neutral) of the device.
This is totally untrue. Unless my math and memory has completely failed me I think that we can mathematically disprove this statement.Capacitance from motor windings to the motor shell of more than 0.09 uF will also trip these things, in addition to internal RF filters to protect electronic circuitry.
What the National Fire Protection Association and all National Testing Laboratories do have is a bad case of trying to protect the general public from the dangers arising from the use of electrical energy.With all the discussion about GFCIs and AFCIs, I hope these things actually save some lives, compared to not having them. I couldn't find any before and after data on this.
With driving in a car being 30x more dangerous than electricity on a per year basis, does the NEC/UL and various elec. manuf. have this?
I agree and think that everyone should have a full understanding of electrical current flow if they are going to be messing around with it, wouldn’t you? All need to be assured that the advice you are receiving holds merit and not just someone copying and pasting from another discussion board.And watch out for ----- as far as how reliable or not these things are.
Nowadays the danger from elec. is down in the noise, probably for many reasons.Of course capacitive leak has not been allowed to be this high for well over 20 years now so although the statement holds some merit it is long outdated.
What is the typical winding/shell leakage nowadays for a 1/2 hp motor? How much of the 4 mA GFCI budget does it use up?
A count on how many people was hurt due to electrical shock and then after the codes mandates a protective device the total number of accidents should be lower if the device has any merit.
Yes. I can't find data on this anywhere, to check if it actually made a difference.
Take a look at the numbers when electricity was first introduced to the public. One could easily ascertain that electricity was a lot more dangerous than driving a car.
You have numbers? Exposure to risk is certainly a factor.
I agree and think that everyone should have a full understanding of electrical current flow if they are going to be messing around with it, wouldn’t you? All need to be assured that the advice you are receiving holds merit and not just someone copying and pasting from another discussion board.
None. With today’s technology little to no current is lost through capacitive induction in the motor frame. The use of ceramic dipped windings was discontinued way back in the 60s and somewhere in the mid to late 80s it was mandated that the leakage of motors to be addressed to very low levels. I am not sure of the numbers but can find out if it would make you happy.What is the typical winding/shell leakage nowadays for a 1/2 hp motor? How much of the 4 mA GFCI budget does it use up?
You are not looking in the right places or simply disregarding the information you are finding. The numbers are simple to find if you truly want to find them. Start with looking at the numbers that Fire Marshals have. These can be found at both state and federal levels.Yes. I can't find data on this anywhere, to check if it actually made a difference.
In the first couple of months after the bid was released to Westinghouse for the world’s fair there was 600 deaths in the state of New York alone, but less than 10 across the nation due to automobiles for the entire year. (reference source National Fire Protection Association)You have numbers? Exposure to risk is certainly a factor.
Spoken like a true, protect me from the thieves, murders, and rapist but don’t dare try to tell me what to do, type of cult.Nowadays the danger from elec. is down in the noise, probably for many reasons.
1300/yr electrocuted vs. 40,000 highway deaths/yr vs. 1000/day smoking related fatalities.
I'd look at what add'tl increment in safety you get for each dollar spent. If you say a CB gives you $20 worth of safety then an AFCI maybe gives you $1 more worth of safety. It's the law of diminishing returns.
Do these quasi-governmental agencies mentioned above fit this description?
"Regulatory capture is a term used to refer to situations in which a government regulatory agency created to act in the public interest instead acts in favor of the commercial or special interests that dominate in the industry or sector it is charged with regulating."
"Public choice theory holds that capture is inevitable, because vested interests have a concentrated financial stake in the outcomes of political decisions, thus ensuring that they will find means—direct or indirect—to capture decision makers"
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