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    Quote Originally Posted by TedL View Post
    So, an apprentice can't work alongside a master plumber to learn the trade? Or, is there an apprentice license they need to have?
    There is apprentice license here, the first 3 years is direct supervision meaning the sponsor must be on site as well. Then the apprentice license on the forth and fifth year becomes supervision, meaning the sponsor has to come and inspect the work done, before any final inspections.

    They only jail you in extreme cases.Think of someone practicing medicine with out a license, big fines, lawsuits, and jail time. Reason for all these codes and license requirements is to protect the health and safety of everyone in the community. We go through the apprenticeship learning the plumbing code and go to school as well, then take a test to get our license.

    About some of the heated discussions on this forum IE (tankless water heaters, (AAV)air admittance valves) Their are always new things that some plumbing codes allow and in time they will see the error of using that item. Like S-traps where once allowed by the plumbing codes but now is banned except in water closets. Also the code once allowed bituminized fiber pipe (Orangeburg pipe) but 10 years later they seen the error of this as well. As for the AAV they will be banned in time. Tankless water heaters will have to meet new codes for proper installations. These are the reasons a whole lot of the Pros on this forum get passionate about the advice they give, they have been trained and licensed, and been in the industry long enough to see things come and go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewerRatz View Post
    Think of someone practicing medicine with out a license, big fines, lawsuits, and jail time.
    Well, Illinois, or at least Cook Co., seems extreme. I can give myself or others a number of over the counter medicines. I see deciding when to take Ibuprofen as at least equal in skill/judgment to taking apart a leaking p-trap to replace it or the compression washers. NY (outside NYC) seems kinda lax about who can plumb, and I can't recall the last story I read of illness or injury due to bad plumbing. There were a couple of deaths ten years ago at a fair where the food vendors were running off hoses, but the source of contamination was traced back to the well supplying, not the plumbing (as initially suspected).

    I realize the very real risk of cross connections. That's something so serious and so cheaply remedied that I think municipal water depts. should just go around and install vacuum breakers on hose bibbs while taking meter readings. But even our Nanny state hasn't done that.

    Our nearby capital city requires metal DWV. They're no safer than we are, but the union is happy. I suspect that's a big part of how Cook County got where it is regarding plumbing.

    I've seen enough to be cynical about all politicians' actions, including the content of codes that get enacted. Some plumbers in our town think house traps are a good idea so that unused drains don't allow sewer gas into the houses (explanation from DPW). I guess that's to protect the home of snowbirds who go to Florida for 6 months and are too stupid to take measures. So, to be hooked up to the town sewers, you need to have a house trap. Prohibited, so I'm told, by some modern codes, but required by our sewer dept.

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    I believe Cook Co. also requires all wiring in homes to be run in metal conduit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    I believe Cook Co. also requires all wiring in homes to be run in metal conduit...
    That is true, can only use the flexable stuff to hook up applances and no more than 3 foot, if I recall right.

    But the plumbing code strictness here in Illinios is all of Illinois. The guys in Southeren Illinois have a,(excuse the term please) hard on for busting unliscanced contrators. Cook county is only strict on the sewer and drain bit.

    Chicago itself requires you to call in for ten dollar a permit if you do any sewer rodding. One of the reasons for this is to keep the conartists at bay. You know the guys that claim they can rod any drain for 35 bucks. When they get their they put on a show and tell the homeowner it needs to be dug up for 2000 bucks.

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    Oh just give you an idea about these con-men. I happened onto a block where these guys where digging up a sewer and installing a clean out. I decided to watch them and what I seen them do made my jaw drop and hang around to see if they where getting it inspected or not. What I saw was they dug down 8 feet and layed a tee down in the hole the brought up a riser. The tee was just laying in the hole, no other sewer pipe was anywhere near it. When they started to back fill I called the inspector and informed him of what was going on. The inspector came out put a stop work order on the job for no permit. Then had the guys uncover the pipe they installed. Turned out they where no where near a sewer line. The sewer was 20 feet on the other side of the lot.

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    I guess that's to protect the home of snowbirds who go to Florida for 6 months and are too stupid to take measures. So, to be hooked up to the town sewers, you need to have a house trap

    If they are not around to keep the fixture traps sealed, how is the house trap going to keep water in it? and those sewer guys were no worse than the ones who use a "stock" tape to show that a sewer needs to be dug up. Probably work for the one of the same companies.

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    Thanks Cass.

    It is these guys out their ripping off the public that makes it hard for us to make a living. People are super worried about the prices you charge to the point they call half the guys in the phone book. Sadly they will get the guy that gives them the lowest price and do not realize that usually is the guy that is scamming others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewerRatz View Post
    Oh just give you an idea about these con-men. I happened onto a block where these guys where digging up a sewer and installing a clean out. I decided to watch them and what I seen them do made my jaw drop and hang around to see if they where getting it inspected or not. What I saw was they dug down 8 feet and layed a tee down in the hole the brought up a riser. The tee was just laying in the hole, no other sewer pipe was anywhere near it. When they started to back fill I called the inspector and informed him of what was going on. The inspector came out put a stop work order on the job for no permit. Then had the guys uncover the pipe they installed. Turned out they where no where near a sewer line. The sewer was 20 feet on the other side of the lot.
    I'm surprised they went through the effort of digging down 8' to do that...
    They worked hard on that scam!

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    Had to atleast waste time doing something. Imagine if you started to clean that drain!

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    I wouldn't have worked at it long....
    If it's not holding and there was not access back towards the clog I wouldn't have even tried it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hj View Post
    I guess that's to protect the home of snowbirds who go to Florida for 6 months and are too stupid to take measures. So, to be hooked up to the town sewers, you need to have a house trap

    If they are not around to keep the fixture traps sealed, how is the house trap going to keep water in it?
    I can only guess they're counting on rain/snow falling into the vents. I'm just furious with the ignorance, after my house trap plugged up. But the head of DPW talked to a local plumber who thought they're a good idea, so...........

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    The local plumber "expert" must like installing house traps AND unplugging sewers.

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    Its actually against federal and state laws to have them do that. I worked for Roto Rooter then i found out about a class action law suit out of NY that i joined....They fired soon after but im expecting to get my money back for my truck and gas. You cant be a sub and an employee. The companies being sued for un ethical practices in like 6 states. Its part of their corporate structure.

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