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    Default drake in colors with sanagloss?

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    The Drake II is a little nicer then the Drake.
    Noise? They are fairly good with noise levels. Pretty subtle, but some of that depends on the plumbing in your home too.
    I've seen some Drakes installed that very quiet, and some that had more noise volumne, so it seems to be the piping and or structure that they are going into.

    The ADA Drake is closer in price to the Drake II.
    In color, I'm selling the ADA Drake in Bone for $394 and the Drake II in Bone for $409.99
    About $16.00 difference for the tall one.

    I sold a lot of the Drake II's last week.
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    Are there any 2pc round, standard height, not ADA, toto models in bone or beige with the sanagloss glaze? I was hoping that the original drake model would offer the sanagloss in colors but it doesn't..thanks

    The original Vespin is more standard height, comes with Sanagloss and comes in colors.
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    Just installed a Drake II this evening.. For the most part I'm happy.. I noticed inside the trap on the bottom wasn't glazed.. Thought that was suposed to be the case... I couldn't feel it glazed at all for as far as I could reach inside.. Just felt like raw ceramic.. Also, the finish inside at the back of the bowl wasn't perfect. I can't feel anything, but you can tell it's not completely covered in white.. Thoughts?

    Haven't put it to any tests yet, but it does look much nicer than the Mansfield 130-160 it replaced..

    Also, was able to get it delivered for $***.. (May be why I have a few "defects")
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    I prefer the trapway to be a little rough.
    Talking to Toto, they do too. They work better that way. Think about it. If you take a babywipe and throw it at a textured wall, it falls off.
    Try throwing it at your mirror, it sticks. Hmmmmm
    Those guys must be pretty smart.

    And what back of the bowl? The part that is up against the wall?
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    In the old days bowl glazed the same inside and out no matter the cost of unit. At bottom of toilet less glaze on part where unit touch floor. Cost cutting on glaze in toilet tank common as it is today. I have experience in breaking up old water closets with a sledge so know traps were smooth. Paid $1.25 per hour in those days as a plumber helper.

    Is it an inherent design flaw in all low water usage toilets made today where they cannot glaze entire toilet trap? Is this a cost cutting measure on less expensive models? I would have never thought to put my hand down the bowl trap to check. Guess that will be a priority now before buying.

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    Like I said before, a smooth trap will clog more often. Paper will stick to it.
    That's why the Toto works better then those old toilets that had the trapways fully glazed.

    Even the new banned swim suits are rough on the outside to speed the swimmers through the water.

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    I understand.. Can call it the golf ball effect..

    I've attached a pic with the general area that looks to not have full white glazing.. It is glazed, but not white.. Can't feel it either..

    Also, anyone know if they are going to make a "standard" height version of the CST454? I like the look, and the dual cyclone and would like to replace the one in my guest bath as well...
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    I won't try to second guess what the manufacturer might or might not do, but I will say that the so-called "standard" height toilet is rapidly becomes non-standard as more and more of us consumers want either the comfort height or the ADA height toilet. The round bowls are also becoming hard to find. It is really the old "supply and demand" principle. I doubt either of these features will disappear completely, but when demand decreases, the supply isn't far behind. This is also why you don't find Sanigloss on a wide variety of round bowls. Most (not all, of course) people who buy a round bowl, standard height want a low cost toilet. Adding colors and Sanigloss would require a price increase. I sure agree that Sanigloss should be available on more models, and perhaps in time, Toto will go that direction.
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    That is a wierd spot for it not to be white.

    Good question about Standard 14-1/2" versus Comfort, Chair, or Universal 16-1/8" height bowls.
    Toto seems to be adding a lot of the taller bowls to the line up.

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    OK, I got 2 of the CST454CEFG 2 piece TOTO Drake II's with sanagloss. Pretty much love it based on 1 day's worth of use.

    But I have a question: the cleaning instructions that came with it say to use "neutral" detergents--non acid, non alkaline. Can someone give me some brand examples of what they are talking about? Also, no abrasives. Duh.

    Instruction sheet was silent about Clorox. I presume there's no problem with that though, right?

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    Got a Drake II about a month ago and like you, wanted to make sure to clean it wihtout messing up the finish. This is what I've been using, works great, no nasty brush laying around (comes with a hook to hang the handle out of sight on the tank) and gentle on the finish.
    http://www.scrubbingbubbles.com/Prod...esh-brush.aspx
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    Toto Also has the Gwyneth Two-Piece HET toilet with Double Cyclone rinse,
    Comfort height, 16-1/8" high bowl before the seat, ADA when seat added.
    Sanagloss
    With a good MaP rating. 800 Grams with 1.28 gallons
    CST454CEFG

    http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/terr...tml#CST454CEFG

    Specs for CST454CEFG
    Last edited by Reader Review; 03-18-2011 at 05:29 PM.

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    Default Toto Drake II, CST454CEFG

    Hi,
    The Toto Drake Toilets we purchased and had installed this week.
    The new toilets are working GREAT!!
    M. Redmond
    Bellevue WA

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    Default Toto Drake II question

    Hey, I have printed all the spec sheets and still can't come up with an overall height, floor to top of tank. I am installing in a 4' X 6' space, so trying to make sure the new sink & johnny will fit before I order them. Can anyone tell me the total height of the tank against the wall?
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    The spec sheet says 30" to the top of tank. plus or minus

    http://www.terrylove.com/pdf/cst454cefg.pdf

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    Terry, Somehow that measurement was NOT on the spec sheet I had printed from TOTO. Thanks for filling in the blank! Have a good holiday weekend.

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