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    We just moved into our new home (2 months ago) and suddenly 3 days ago our water went to pure mud. Our well is 170' deep, submersible pump is (was) at 150 feet. the water level is around 100 feet with about 55' feet of galv casing.

    I called a plumber...he pulled the pump and cut 25' off to try and get above the sludge.

    when we pulled the pump the waterline/rope/wire was COVERED with thick gooey mud from 58' down to 100' (where it was washed clean by the water level). For a couple days I could run the hydrant full blast for a couple hours and clear the water but that no longer works. We have not had any rain for 3 days, so if surface water did get around the casing why is it not clearing up. Could it be continually falling in.

    The original well driller is not being very helpful, and actually he quit answering my calls.
    The well is 6 months old with 2 months of use, I hate to spend another $2000-$3000 on a new one already, any ideas.
    thanks

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    The plumber had no idea what he was doing. If the well is pumping undesirable water, the pump will pick it up no matter where it's located in the well. Now if your well is a low producer, you will have more problems than if he had left it where it was.

    If you can't get any help from this shyster driller, check with your county or state. Whoever it is that regulates the well drillers. Then register a complaint. If this is a new house, call your builder. He should have to stand behind anything done in that new house for at least one year. If he is still using this guy, he would have far more leverage than you would over this guy.

    The reason I'm not offering any advice is that the well was good for two months and now is showing nasty water. I have no idea what is wrong, but I am sure the driller does.

    Good lluck,

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    You probably have a soft seem in the well that has dumped a lot of material into the bore hole. Either that or you have a poor seal where the casing is seated in the rock. I would shut the main off to the house and try runing a garden hose off the tank in the basement to see if you can't flush the material out of the well. I have seen it work before and it can sometimes take days before you see results. If your able to get a good reputable well company out there they will probably try flushing it at the well but for now i would run a hose from the tank, outside, and turn it on full blast. If that doesent work, you will need to get a well company that has a down hole camera. They can get video of the well to determine where the sediment is coming in. If its coming from where the casing is seated in the rock, then a seal can be installed to resolve the problem.

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    I assume you are referring to a jaswell seal ? Does anyone have any idea what a ballpark figure might be to have a downhole camera run down the well if the drop-pipe & pump was already removed ? Probably to many variables to even guess ?
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    When i use my camera, i will pump the well and lower the water level beyond the casing so i can see if there is any water coming in at that point. If there isn't any water coming in there, i will keep lowering the water in order to inspect the natural water bearing zones. Sometimes i will have to pull the pump to remove the wire guides so the camera can get to where i want it to be. I usualy get around 500.00 for a camera inspection. Sometimes more depending on the depth of the well. If the jaswell seal has to be installed, i will try to go easy on the price of the inspection. The jaswell seal can also correct low ph!

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    thanks for the input

    just to reply:
    we bought the property from a realtor/developer and in the negotiations we had them pay for and drill the well. so the home builder had no dealing with the water system, I installed pump and lines myself. So really I guess I am on my own here.

    We are in rural wv, so no zoning laws or regulatory agency that I know of.
    If the driller wont return my calls and try to help, I may persue that later, as I feel he should be somewhat responsible. If that casing was down to "rock" I dont feel that all that mud should be on the pipe. I can understand a little muddy water seeping by the casing or grout but my toilet tank has 2 inches of mud settled in it.
    I cannot hear water running into my well (remember the slip was at 58' and my water level is at 100') so do you think it is still filling in or it is the pump just stirring up the sediment.
    Has anyone ever had the driller blow it out and live happily ever after?
    I hate to throw good money after bad, so should I drill a new well or try to save this one.

    I am sort of like "wv hillbilly" good water is hard to hit plus we make about 30 gallons a minute which is almost unheard of around here, many neighbors haul water.
    So even drilling over is a risk.
    thanks every one for your help and have a Merry Christmas

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    If you don't mind my asking where are you in WV ? I now live in Doddridge Co. & have also lived in Upshur Co. & Monroe Co. I also looked up WV state regulations pertaining to the responsibilities of well drillers in WV . By law they are supposed to be registered , get a permit & file a log of the well with the health dept. I think I remembered that correctly . It's easy enough to look up the state regulations on the internet . Good luck with your problems .

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    we live in pocahontas county, near Hillsboro.

    I did speak with the health dept guy today, he said we could file a complaint dont know if that would do anything. Really dont know for sure if the driller messed up at all.

    I have been pumping the well for six hours today and it still has mud, not clearing at all. I know for a fact it caved in at 58' but it should be clearing some by now I would think.

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    How do you know something happened at 58'??

    sammy

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    Last edited by sammyhydro11; 12-24-2008 at 12:37 PM.

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    sammy
    when the plummer pulled my pump, we laid it in the field. The first 57' of pipe was clean, at 58' the rope/pipe was covered with a thick mud (still clinging to the rope etc, I could scape it off and form a ball from it) it was that way down to 100' where it was obvious that was the standing water line.
    It looked like a mudslide just slid down the pipe starting at 58'.

    I spoke to the driller today and his records confirmed that he put in 58' of casing so the slip must have started just below the casing.

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    sammy

    if the seal at the bottom of the casing is bad and the water entered during heavy rains last week shoud it not start clearing up soon or does it take the water much longer to perc thru to this depth. I just pictured surface water running down around the casing while it was raining ( we had two weeks of hard rain right before this problem)
    thanks

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    It could be a while before that clears up and seeing the situation i couldn't put a time frame on it.It might not clear up at all. The soulution to your problem is a jaswell seal. I would have it installed sooner than later. Here in Massachusetts, i would get about 1400.00 to install it.

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    Last edited by sammyhydro11; 12-24-2008 at 02:30 PM.

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    Default It's the drillers responsibility!

    I wouldn't mess with it. It's the drillers problem. File a complaint with the local health department that issued the well permit and the ground water regulator below:

    I'd start here:
    WEST VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN RESOURCES
    Bureau for Public Health
    Office of Environmental Health Services
    Capitol and Washington Streets
    1 Davis Square, Suite 200
    Charleston, West Virginia 25301-1798
    Phone (304) 558-2981 Fax (304) 558-0691

    Well drillers have to be licensed to drill wells in West Virginia
    WV Contractors License #WV######
    WV Certification No. ###

    If they don't stand behind their work they can be heavely fined and possibly lose their drilling license.

    Also check with the National Ground Water Association www.ngwa.org to see if the contractor is a member and if he is certified by the NGWA. If he is and convicted of an improper drilling offence, he could loose his NGWA certification as well.

    You have a lot of options available to you but don't mess with it yourself or allow unqualified well or pump people mess with it as it could only damage your legal case.

    I can't think of anything that you could have done in installing your own pump that would or could have damaged your well.

    It sounds to me like the well casing wasn't set into a solid rock properly and the well driller probably knows this!

    It's still the drillers problem!

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    thanks for the info porky

    I hope to have clean water and not need that info. but who knows, as I am starting to get aggravated at the catch 22 game.

    I did reach the driller's boss and he says anything we do is a gamble and told me to call his driller.
    I finally spoke to the driller -who is not the owner of the company. And he thinks we should put a liner and packer in. The catch is he wants me to remove the pitless adapter and pull the pump first. That means digging down 3 feet into the frozen ground and unhooking the water line.
    Is there no way to squeeze a packer/ seal past the pitless adapter??

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    The pitless doesn't need to be removed but the pump does have to be pulled out. When pushing the seal in, you have to go easy as it is being pushed by the pitless so it doesn't tear. I usualy lube the side of the seal that is going to have contact with the pitless. Crisco works.

    Merry Christmas!
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