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    Hi all. First post. Longstanding problem. I'm tired of it.

    Been in this house 10 years. Two baths, two toilets separated by a wall. Both are cheapo AS Plebes. Toilet #1 has never had what I would call a strong flush, but has only clogged a very few times in 10 years. Bath #2 has a slightly weaker flush than #1, and clogs often (often as in 10-12 times a year). One year ago I pulled #2 and snaked pipe as far as I could get (4' - 5', short snake). Also rebuilt internals and am positive that was done properly. Ended up with same flush results. Also tried running a hose down the vent pipe. No changes. For a more detailed descript, when "clogging", the material doesn't seem to make it over the trap. A quick plunge and all is well.

    Last week: Pulled #2. Tried dumping 5 gals of water down pipe a couple times at a high rate. Took it no problem. Replaced it with toilet from #1 bath. Same weak results. Put #2 toilet in #1 bath and it works the same as the previous toilet. So issue seems to be with pipe config in bath #2 as the problem is independent of toilet.

    My question: Based on the above, what are the chances I would improve the situation in bath #2 merely by replacing the toilet with a Toto Drake or AS Cadet 3? I'm assuming the venting must not be just exactly perfect, but am hoping a good toilet might overcome a less than ideal drain config.

    Really looking forward to reading opinions on this.

    Thanks,
    Gary

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    The way I read your post it doesn't seem to be a pipe problem with the bad fushing toilet it seems to be a toilet problem.

    The Am. Std. Plebe toilets are well known as a dog of a flusher.

    I would upgrade to a Toto not another Am. Std. That has undergone 3 redesigns to be a better toilet!

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    Thank you for your comments Redwood. I'm encouraged that you don't suspect a plumbing issue. I would like to clarify that either Plebe in bath #2 has a comparatively weaker flush. Historically, bath #2 clogs about 10 times a year vs 2-3 times a year in Bath #1. I forgot to mention the Plebes are 3.5 models if that matters. Neither are very awe inspiring. I guess I'll go ahead and pick up a Drake this weekend. Sounds easier than ripping out the ceiling on my garage to look at pipes. A local vendor sells them for $220. This is the two piece unit. Is that the going rate for these?

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    That's a great price for the Drake. Unless these is an issue inside the drain pipe that is causing the clogs, You will probably never have another clogged toilet unless you try to flush a cell phone.

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    More than likley, you have somthing or things in the lower trapway slowing things down and catching paper.

    A large ended closet auger can sometimes remove them.

    The other thing you may check for are the rinse holes under the rim, take a coat hanger and maker sure that are clear, allowing water to rinse down the bowl, thus helping the flush.

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    Great comments. Thanks! I was going to give it a good snaking before installing a new toilet. I actually bought a snake, but I don't know how useful it will be. Just a coiled spring at the end. I saw large attachments for a snake with a "female" tip, but concluded I'd have to spend some bucks to get such a beast. I think a neighbor may have a more aggressive unit. If not and I call a plumber, what would be a reasonable price if all he has to do is snake the pipe? I'll pull the toilet. Also, is it possible to tell if a semi-clog has been cleared while running a snake, or do you just go for it and hope for the best?

    Gary

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