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Thread: MAP ratings for the Soiree and/or Guinevere?

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    Default MAP ratings for the Soiree and/or Guinevere?

    I am puzzled that these two top recommendations do not appear on the most recent MaP report (12th edition), although most of the other Toto toilets do. I haven't yet found any older MaP reports; did they appear earlier?

    What are the gram ratings for these toilets?


    TOTO Guinevere pedestal lav and toilet suite
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    Toto did not send them out for testing.

    MaP testing only tests with plastic wrapped paste.
    Toto believes that the paste should remain in it's normal state.
    It floats better that way, and it's stickier.
    By the way, Toto is the one that came up with the original test in the first place. I think they know what they are doing.

    I install many toilets in my home and those of relatives and friends to get a better idea of how they work in the real world.

    MaP tests only one thing.
    I'm looking for about ten things.
    I'm "not" surprised that my list is different.

    The Soiree is much like the Carlyle in performance.
    They both have a siphon jet flush and use a Unifit adapter for the lower trapway.
    Both John Koeller of MaP and I agree that anything over 500 grams is overkill.
    And in fact bowls with high numbers may suffer from lack of bowl rinse or wash.
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    While the latest MaP test does not include the Soiree or Guinevere, it does include the Gwyneth, which uses the same double cyclone system. The one-piece Gwyneth flushes 500 grams with 1.28 gallons. SamC

    The Gwyneth is a 1.28 gallon while the Soiree and the Guinevere are 1.6 gallons.
    The Soiree and the Guinevere have more kick than the Gwyneth. Terry
    Last edited by Terry; 11-09-2008 at 10:11 PM.

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    Thanks for the answer, Terry.

    Is the only difference between the Guinevere and the Soiree the styling? Are they basically the same toilet, or am I missing a key difference?

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    Is the only difference between the Guinevere and the Soiree the styling?
    As far as I can tell
    they have the same working parts.

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