explain the horse.
I walked past a hospital today and the smoke from workers nearly killed me.
SO someone finally wants the horsey story. I am a great story teller and get all these neighborhood kids begging me for another and another...
My husband wanted this house, I did not. But, I obliged him because he was a great man. He had this great laugh and a fantastic sense of humor, which is what attracted me to him in the first place. I could had cared less if he weighed a zillion pounds, was an alien and green, had no job or no money; he was funny and that is what counted. That is what always counts to me, I love to laugh.
Now, this particular day I was out back surveying where to put my garden. Timothy already had his 40 rototilled, his drawing made where he was going to plant his corn ( for the spring) his tomato's; he made his bean sticks, nice and tall, and... here I was stuck inside doing all the womanly chores, like cleaning.
I felt cheated. So, there I was eye-balling his, and thought I would plant mine next to his, somewhat. I didn't want to scrunch him, so I gave him some space and room. I had my mighty hoe and was starting to clean off the ground, and then with my shovel I started to dig. Lo and behold' there was white stuff buried in the ground. At first I thought... why on earth would someone bury drywall? I was digging and digging...
outcomes my better half, who announces, " YIKES."
I echoed, " YIKES?" as I stood there with the white stuff on my shovel.
" Sweetheart, put that shovel down, and go in the house and make me a cup of coffee, ok?" Always read to oblige my wonderful husband, I put my shovel down and when I came back outside he stopped me short of that area and asked me to stay where I was.
He explained, what I already should had known since, I am not a newbie to what it was, it is just I wasn't expecting it to be there! So, we drank our delicious coffees, and laughed about it. He was alittle bit taken back I wasn't upset. But why should I be, a roll of asbestos was a toy of mine growing up, which I shared with my brother. But, my sweet husband reburied it and sent me away so not to be near it. Oh, I loved him so.
Being the die-hard which I am, a few days later, I decided to put my garden on the other side of Tim's garden. I am out there with mask on, hat on, gloves, I was prepared for more of that stuff. I wasn't taking any chances. I am happily digging and digging, once in a while stopping to check out my seeds of 5 different kinds of basil I bought. I bought purple basil, sweet basil, licorice basil, basil basil basil. I love basil.
I was digging deeper than usual since I wanted to reach the really good dirt and give it a good flipping over. I was elated when I found a horse shoe. I shouted to Tim, " TIM TIM, LOOK WHAT I FOUND!" I found a good luck horseshoe! He was all excited and clapping.
I continued digging and digging and lo and behold' I found yet another lucky horseshoe which I had to share with Timothy. " TIM TIM, I FOUND ANOTHER LUCKY HORSESHOE!"
I couldn't believe I was so lucky, when I heard, yet another clink on my shovel. WOW, I pulled out another lucky horseshoe! " TIM, TIM, LOOK ANOTHER HORSESHOE!"
He comes over and he looks at all the shoes, and asks me, " where do you think is the unlucky horse?"
I let the shovel drop from my hands and said, " YUK". My garden was a horse cementary...
He fixed that hole too.
That weekend, he called me to his garden and inside the garden was a part sectioned off just for me, no asbestos and no dead horses.
I met my neighbor across the road who told me she lived here forever and she was as old as dirt, she informed me, this was a huge farm. My land was where the horses lived. And, died.
End of horsey story.
Since the original poster asked about geting rid of abestos, I'll put in my 2 cents on that. Legality, right and wrong, danger, health, etc. You are on your own.
Years ago, not knowing any better, I paid a bundle for the pro's to get rid of abestos in my basement. I got all sorts of scare tactics to convince me to go with the pros. Some of the reasoing is legit, some are rediculus. Many are marketing stregies on the part of the abestos removal company. Advice from other sources often repeats the same "reasoning" without considering if it makes sense. One of the reasin I should go with the pro is that some day when time to sell the house, people will want document that it was done properly, by a pro. False! Maybe else where but not here in my area. I suppose in a seler's market, no one will ask. In a buyer's market, they'll ask if anyone with smelly feet ever walked into the house.
The pro ... They just water down everything in sight. All ceiling and walls and floors are plastic and taped. Water soak everything. Abestos were wet and taken down dripping into bags. When done, double bagged, sprayed down the ceiling, walls, and floor again. Triple bagged again..... It was a mess, but I could have done the sae myself. BTW, the water runs into my sump pit. At the time, the sump pump was connected to the sewer line by the previous owner. The basment sink and the laundry dumps into the sump pit. Had the sump pump discharge into my back yard, does that mean all the abestos will be in my yard? Granted that 99.9% of the abestos was captured and bagged. I was not too impressed.
Years later, I saw kits in McMaster Carr catalog for abestos removal. Basiclly a plastic tube with a sealable seam. The plastic tube have built in long armed gloves to reah in the tube to work on the stuff. You put all the equipment, tools and spray bottles inside the tube/bag and thenseal in the section of pipe with the abestos. Do your thing, put in bags, unwrap. since everything is wet nothing is airborn. I imagine you can have a big plastic sheet on the floor below so that you can catch allthe dripping as you unwrap. Wrap the whole shabang when done. I think this is still a big mess of a job. Besides, it is for a small job.
From discovering this kit, I thought of other methods I can use, had I have to do it myself. Here is what I came up with:
Thick gauge plastic sheet, long enough for the length of the pipe with the abestos. Wrap the pipe with minimal disturbnace. Shallac, max, water down if you feel that may help. Seal the seam along the length. Bead of caulk along the whole length if you feel more paranoid, roll the seam and staple and tape. The ends should extend beyond the abestos area, by a lot. Caulk the circumfrence of the pipe. Tie the ends of the plastic tube shut. Secure with screw type hose clamps. Now the whole section is sealed and secured. Cut the pipe, of course, at the clean area. Replace the removed and cut pipes. You are on your own on what to do with the bagged pipe. THIS is a much cleaner method. The vibration of cutting will send lots of the bad stuff all over the place. So, containment first, then removal without touching.
Make sure you support the pipe so it won't come crashing down. Also consider the integrity of the plastic. Will moving the bagged pipe risk tearing the plastic? Wrap with a tougher plastic or fabric if need be.
that is funny. terrible but funny.
The house I wanted had 350 linear feat of asbestos in the basement. We had a contractor come out to give us an estimate.
He gets the house and tells my wife, I thaught it was this house. She found that strang but not alarming.
He is walking on the second floor of the house (you had to go through the second floor to get to the basement, a story for another time) and points at one of the bathrooms and sys "it happened in there."
My wife says, what happened in there? He replies, my best from growing up was murdered in that bathroom.
I wanted the house anyways. She said no. In the end, the house sold to a member of the clergy. I told him about the murder, he didn't think it was an issue.
We bought a different house.
In tribute to Rodney Dangerfield:
Yeah, my husband used to say he got an orange and a harmonica for Xmas, he thought that was bad, until, he learned I got a roll of Asbestos and had to share with my brother, lol. Rodney Dangerfield would had used that one, lol.
I guess, it was only appropriate that a clergy member would had bought that house. He could had done an excorism on the demons and the asbestos.
I know all about asbestos. I know you can find it in popcorn, siding, flooring, insulation, tape, glue, and horse hair. I bet my yard is loaded. I don't go there often.
I have a cat who is going to be 21 on January first. His name is Bob. Sometimes, Robert. Since my house inside and out is loaded with the dreaded stuff, it is only fitting that I name my next cat, Asbestos. I would name my next kid that, but I can't, since chemo made me sterile.
I tell my kids, just don't touch anything, don't touch the ceiling, the flooring, the walls, or the pipes, and you will be fine. Quit whining. Oh, and don't dig in the yard, anywhere, and try not to breathe too much, I taught them shallow breathing techinques.
My kids wanted to know, why we played with Asbestos, I told them because we lost our Mercury balls. "Mercury balls?" they asked, "Mercury balls?"
"Yeah" we were so poor, I told them, " we rolled up Granpap's mercury and it bounced like crazy."
When I filled out a health form and they asked what I was exposed to, I found it quicker to put what I wasn't exposed to, ie healthy things.
When my kids were in the sixth grade I was worried when I saw them hide a book from me, until, I saw they were reading, Genetic Predispositon. Whew, I thought they were reading P.O.R.N. I didn't want them polluting their minds.
Last edited by Cookie; 10-12-2008 at 09:54 PM.
Sometimes I don't know why we bother to have laws, rules, permits or licensing when it seems like anyone that doesn't like them blows them off and does whatever they damn well feel like anyway. Was I not clear enough?
There are laws about on asbestos abatement. whether you like them or not. Agree with them or not. Have some hair brained scheme for self removal and disposal or not. don't like the price of removal or don't have the money for proper removal. WE HAVE LAWS PEOPLE. I guess by your reasoning I (because I have a perfect driving record for over 40 years now) should be able to drive 100mph on the highway because I think I'm a good driver. What ever happened to responsibility or like the mortgage company CEO's are we just way more concerned with our wallets.
There may be laws, their are laws for everything in this world. But, sometimes, laws were made to be broken, and are broken. I saw pro's removing the stuff, and it is really really really no different than what was described in the above, or the below, lol, don't know which way this thing goes. The bottom line is in disposing of it in such a manner where no one gets hurt. I don't think anyone would advocate thowing it in the ocean, or over a hillside or even burying it in your garden (better yet your neighbors). Do you really think all of the people, most of the people, by the people, don't ya love it? really pays pro's all that green to take it out? Sometimes, you got to take off the rose colored glasses. I would betcha, ( borrowing that word from Palin) 50% don't. Common sense tells me that. And, we the people here should all have manners to each other.
I have a friend who never had a speeding ticket in driving for 40 years. She was so proud of this, until, she finally fessed up to getting a few for driving too slow. She broke the law, she really did. She thinks she is a great driver, I told her she is a big hazard. Imagine, driving behind her? Are you a slow driver, too? I only got one speeding ticket in my life, I have been driving 38 years! Wow, I didn't realize that, lol. I am getting old. Infact, that was my one and only ticket/anything. So, the insurance companies love me.
Greed, you mention greed with the headhunters/CEO's, sure, they are greedy, they can afford to be. They make the mega bucks. Here, we are talking normal people for which the constitution was really written for, CEO's have their own. You didn't know their was 2 constitutions, I betcha.
Last edited by Cookie; 10-13-2008 at 06:47 AM.
Nobody said that removing it was rocket science. In fact you can get abatement procedures on line. The problem is the disposal and the fed's desire to keep numbers on this stuff. Bags need to be labeled and weighed and the removers need to be licensed to make sure that all the procedures and precautions were taken. Again, it's a liability issue. If something ever goes afowl and the lawyers get involved, not having the license and proper documentation is going to cost someone big.
Actually, I would betcha, they want to keep the green in their pockets. It really isn't hard to figure out numbers on the stuff, everything and anything had asbestos in it years ago, I heard people made clothing from it, too. Remember those paper dresses? They weren't really paper, it was a cover-up. (incase you got too hot they didn't want you to burst into flames) I am wearing one right now, they last forever and it keeps the cost down.
Think about this, the fibers stay in the air forever, right? Geez, when they sprayed the stuff on years ago, especially the popcorn stuff, what happened to those fibers? I betcha we got fibers floating in our air older than dirt. Antique asbesto fibers. It is probably amazing we can even see.
I can sell you a pair of Asbestos glasses to help see thru all the old fibers, for only fifty bucks, that is a great deal. Everyone should get these.
For those husbands out there who don't know what to buy their wives for Xmas this year, I have the perfect present.
An Asbesto swimming suit! This folks is only 100 bucks, supply is limited so hurry!
Last edited by Cookie; 10-13-2008 at 07:33 AM.
Asbestos and talc
Talc is sometimes contaminated with asbestos. In 2000, tests in a certified asbestos-testing laboratory found the tremolite form of amphibole asbestos in three out of eight major brands of children's crayons (oil pastels) that are made partly from talc — Crayola, Prang, and Rose Art. In Crayola crayons, the tests found asbestos levels from 0.05% in Carnation Pink to 2.86% in Orchid; in Prang crayons, the range was from 0.3% in Periwinkle to 0.54% in Yellow; in Rose Art crayons, it was from 0.03% in Brown to 1.20% in Orange. Overall, 32 different types of crayons from these brands contained more than trace amounts of asbestos, and eight others contained trace amounts. The Art and Creative Materials Institute, a trade association which tests the safety of crayons on behalf of the makers, initially insisted the test results must be incorrect, although they later said they do not test for asbestos. In May 2000, Crayola said tests by materials analyst, Richard Lee, of two of its crayons were negative for asbestos, although it later emerged that Lee had testified in lawsuits over 250 times on behalf of the asbestos industry, which paid him US$7 million. In June 2000, Binney & Smith, the maker of Crayola, and the other makers agreed to stop using talc in their products, and changed their product formulations in the United States. The mining company, R T Vanderbilt Co of Gouverneur, New York, which supplied the talc to the crayon makers, insists there is no asbestos in its talc "to the best of our knowledge and belief", but tests by the United States Mine Safety and Health Administration found asbestos in all four talc samples that it tested in 2000
I guess a lead pencil would do.
Last edited by Cookie; 10-13-2008 at 07:53 AM.
Hair brain idea of removal, I think not. Like Cookie said, not much different from what the pros do. Common sense guides us.
I made no judgement on the original poster. I try to stick to the question, how to get it off the pipe. He dis not ask about paper trails, legal process, etc. My town & non of the surrounding town, here in central Jersey, and probably the entire NJ, and towns in CT ever ask about what happened to the abestos on those pipes in the house built 80 years ago. The house is sold and purchased. If we don't give a crap, you would see more comments like "take a hammer ....".
Laws ..... Slavery was legal at one time. Then there was WW2 Germany ..... There were some not very popular law either. Don't get your panties all in a bunch. I am not saying the current abestos laws, rule, guideline is as bad as the above.
I showed a house yesterday where I could smell all of the asbestos, it could had been the dead animals, but I am pretty sure about the asbestos. It was just about everywhere, on every pipe, I think I saw it dripping off the walls, wait... I am thinking of the Amityville Horror movie. Actually, this house was not far off.
While in the basement I pointed out what I thought was the obvious which was, the posts were rotted away, and the jack was rusted out, as well. I thought I felt that dip in the floor above, lol. I no sooner pointed this out than the man leaned on it, and it fell over. I was done. When floor jacks start to fall over I am outa of there.
I headed back upstairs leaving him down there.
I was outside on the porch heading for the car fixing my GPS.
I said to him, " well, is this too much of a fixer upper?" I was expecting a resounding, yes, but instead, he said, " nope." Some people can be brain dead...so, I said, " ok."
Since, the basement was loaded with asbestos and I know the value dollar amount in removing it, even if I pass the job onto my cousin; when he said, " it won't cost much to fix this up" I knew, he was going to get that big hammer out and whack those pipes out on his own. Probably, not even using so much a plastic baggie.
Unless, his idea of what is costly doesn't fit my idea. We will see.
I give up. I can not inteligently argue with equivocation and justification. Apparently no one can read. Laws are not made to be broken. The guy that came up with that sentence was most likely a crook. Laws are made to protect the largest number of people from harm. Every day I deal with kids that think the school rules are stupid and should be broken. We have rules about MP3 players, clothing and the wearing of hats, along with swearing and disrespectfull behavior and a multitude of others that were put in place to keep the scholastic community a safe and respectfull place to learn in. Which rule or rules should I decided are stupid or better yet let the kids decide? How about the drugs and alchohol rules? It's bad enough to hear the justification and equivocation from a 15 year old but to hear it from adults is just plain intolerable. Let the lawyers sort it all out. I'm done.
One more note. The original poster asked how to do something that is illegal just so he could save a few bucks. Why not start a how to build fertilizer bombs thread also? Why would anyone even consider answering his question?