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    Default wax vs. no-wax

    I am installing two new toilets in a remodel. In one bathroom, closet flange sits on top of finished floor. In the other bathroom, the flange is flush.

    I read that no-wax seals may be better than wax rings. I picked up a couple today. They look sort of like a rubber sleeve. Has anyone used these? How do they hold up in the long run? Does the rubber eventually deteriorate?

    I was thinking that in particular, for the bathroom where the flange is flush, the no-wax "sleeve" might be better to guard against water leaks. Any thoughts?

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    I used both the Fluidmaster waxless seal and wax.


    I've found that both work well when the outlet fits them.
    That means most toilets.
    Toilets like the Caroma won't work with them.
    Last edited by Terry; 11-01-2004 at 05:53 PM.

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    Uh oh, I have the Caroma Caravelle (240). Two of them. What should I use?

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    For the Caroma toilets, use wax.

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    I was looking at the offset adapter. I don't understand why the black rubber sleeve cannot be used (instead of a traditional was seal). It seems like we would be less likely to get leaks with the sleeve.

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    I have successfully used the No-Waxģ Flexible Toilet Seal Gasket by Plastic Oddities for over ten years with no problems whatsoever. They are less messy than wax and, in the event you have to pull the toilet off the floor, they are reusable. I did learn, though, to check the floor bolts periodically for the first six months to a year after installation to make sure they have remained snug.

    In deference to Terry, however, I have no experience with Caroma and Iím sure thereís a great likelihood he knows something I donít.

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    I've been reading this forum for a couple of weeks now.....

    Thanks to the advice, I just bought a new Toto Ultramax for our bathroom remodel.

    I also decided to try the Fluidmaster waxless seal. One question, though -- can't tell, but it seems to me that if I use a little vaseline on the seals, they will seal better. Or am I wrong? Do you just use them dry?

    Thanks.

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    Don't know for sure, but a petroleum product on rubber/plastic components may be a bad thing. If things seem tight putting it together, you could use some liquid soap, but leave the jelly out of it. My unprofessional opinion.
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    Default Dont Use Any Oil Based Products

    oil based products such as Vaseline or any other product that is oil based causes rubber to swell up.... very badly...... It will ruin the seal

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    100% silicone grease is the answer.

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    K-Y jelly is water based so you can use it and it will wash off when it gets wet so the piece will be more resistant to pulling out. And no wise cracks, please.

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    I always use standard wax rings without the sleeve or cone. Never had a problem, and never questioned this. Ive installed toilets that havent been touched in 30 plus years with no leaks and no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaplumber
    I always use standard wax rings without the sleeve or cone. Never had a problem, and never questioned this. Ive installed toilets that havent been touched in 30 plus years with no leaks and no problems.
    I do the same...never a call-back or problem.

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    Terry... that's your sons band?

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