toilet make-up water

jamesml · Sep 18, 2008

I have just purchased and installed a Galaxy toilet. The problem is that the make-up water does not fill the bowl suficiently. I have installed a flapper that has the water cup that delays the flapper closing, but no help. I have captured the water from the make-up supply, and then added this water to the bowl, but it is insuficient to fill the bowl to a full level. Any suggestions?

hj · Sep 19, 2008

water level

Take a pan of water and pour it into the toilet bowl slowly. Whatever the water level ends up is ALL that you will get with that bowl, regardless of how much water you send to it. Unless the bowl needs an enormous amount of water, your revisions should have had no effect on the outcome.

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jamesml · Sep 19, 2008

Thanks. I understand what you are saying, and that is what I did, to establish the level that the make up water should fill to. Collecting the "make-up" water and adding it to the bowl after flushing came up short, leaving the bowl with little more than a 4 1/2" dia puddle.

Jadnashua · Sep 19, 2008

I'm not sure you did understand. Fill a pan or bucket with water. After the toilet has finished a flush and fill cycle, slowly pour water into the bowl. You can pour gallons down there, it won't matter if you pour slowly, it won't 'flush' again. Then, let it sit a minute or so. That is the most water that will ever stay in the bowl. Compare that to what happens when it flushes normally. IF they are different, then you have a problem. Some toilets have a VERY small water spot, and nothing other than replacing with a different model or brand will change that.

Gary Swart · Sep 19, 2008

Here's the "why" of what you have been told. Inside the base of the toilet there is a P trap. This functions just like the P traps in all of you other drains, you just don't see it. Any P trap will hold only a certain amount of water. It fills the trap so that sewer gas can not get into the house through the drain. If you pour additional water into the trap, the same amount of water will be forced out of the trap. In other drains, we can't easily see the water in the trap because of the size of the drain pipe. However, the water we see in the toilet bowl is actually the water in the trap. This is commonly called the "water spot". The size of the spot will vary from toilet brand/model, and there is nothing you can do that will increase it.

jamesml · Sep 19, 2008

I do understand what you are saying. The water spot is governed by the trap weir. My problem is getting the 'water spot' up to that level.

Terry · Sep 19, 2008

Some fill valves have a small rubber tube that feeds into the overflow tube. This is what refills the bowl after a flush.
Could you post a picture of the inside of your tank?

SamC · Sep 19, 2008

It sounds like there is not sufficient water going from the fill valve down the overflow during the cycle. Is the tube from the fill valve positioned so that all the water is directed down the overflow? Is there some obstruction or a crimp in the tubing. Some fill valves direct more water to the overflow than others. Is the fill valve original?

Redwood · Sep 19, 2008

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jamesml · Sep 20, 2008

make up water pix

Terry - Here are the pix. Thanks.

hj · Sep 20, 2008

pictures

Nice pictures of the tank, now how about some of the toilet bowl which seems to be where you had your original problem. You can also use the little pins that are attached to the 555 FlushFixer to slow down the speed it drops and thus add more water to the bowl. Break off a pin and put it in one of the holes in the bottom of the cup. Flush the toilet and see how much improvement you get. There are five pins so just add a pin and flush until you get the results you want.

jamesml · Sep 20, 2008

After fiddling around with it I have a better fill. Not perfect, but adequate.
Thanks for you help. This is a REALLY nice site.

Again, thanks.

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