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    We've recently had a room addition to our existing home. Everything has passed inspection except for the new external outlet. The outlet is a GFCI receptacle. The problem is that the inspector said we must also have an AFC or GFC installed in the circuit breaker. When the electrician installed the AFC in the circuit breaker and a radio was plugged in the receptacle, the breaker tripped and cut off power. When the line is attached to a non GFC in the circuit breaker, the GFC outlet works fine.

    My question is, if code requires both GFC circuit breaker and outlet, what could be a possible solution to the problem?

    Thank you in advance for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chippie View Post
    We've recently had a room addition to our existing home. Everything has passed inspection except for the new external outlet. The outlet is a GFCI receptacle. The problem is that the inspector said we must also have an AFC or GFC installed in the circuit breaker. When the electrician installed the AFC in the circuit breaker and a radio was plugged in the receptacle, the breaker tripped and cut off power. When the line is attached to a non GFC in the circuit breaker, the GFC outlet works fine.

    My question is, if code requires both GFC circuit breaker and outlet, what could be a possible solution to the problem?

    Thank you in advance for your help.
    I would ask for the EXACT code violation. AFCI protection is NOT required for outdoor outlets, whether they are lighting or receptacles.

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    Easy fix, find a new inspector. Second fix, ask the first to provide the code reference, and what code the city goes by. Looking at one of the Inspector Forums, it amazes me how some of those guys stay in business, due to they are just like you and I, ask 100's of questions, and then still doubt what they see during the course of work that they are paid to make sure is correct.

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    Either:

    A) The inspector is wrong.

    B) You are mis-interpreting what the inspector said.
    http://www.inspectpa.com/forum/forum.php
    My answers are based mostly on the ICC codes. Advice given is my personal opinion and every person performing work should acquire a permit from his/her jurisdiction and get the work inspected. My opinions are not directions to follow for DIYs or professionals

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    Is that outside outlet on its own circuit or does that circuit also provide power for things inside as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy_Bob View Post
    Is that outside outlet on its own circuit or does that circuit also provide power for things inside as well?
    Does it matter? The electrician that hooked it up is a goof.

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    AFCI protection is NOT required for outdoor outlets, whether they are lighting or receptacles.
    What if they are tapped from a bedroom circuit?

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    It's not that it can't have AFCI protection, it doesn't require it for an outside outlet...
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