Internal cable clamps and old wiring

JWelectric · Sep 6, 2008

Chris75 said:
Get you panties out of a bunch, I had to go on a trouble call, seems like someone added some sheath and caught the wall on fire, guess you were right after all.

Hope that no one was hurt by this hack type of installation

Chris75 · Sep 6, 2008

jwelectric said:
Hope that no one was hurt by this hack type of installation

Mike, you know I respect you, I just dont see the same view on this matter, but thats fine also.

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JWelectric · Sep 6, 2008

After some discussion with the electrical inspector and homeowner we have decided that a little black tape and some heat shrink could fix this problem.

On the interior of the building we will slip a little sheathing over the conductors and all is well.

What do you all think?

JWelectric · Sep 6, 2008

Chris75 said:
Mike, you know I respect you, I just dont see the same view on this matter, but thats fine also.

I know but it is not as much fun as debating the points of the intent of the NEC

Alectrician · Sep 6, 2008

You're a funny guy Mike. You dodge questions better than McCain and Obama combined.

I hope that you can answer the second question for yourself.

Of course I can but I was asking you. It was a rhetorical question anyway. I know exactly how you think.

After some discussion with the electrical inspector and homeowner we have decided that a little black tape and some heat shrink could fix this problem.

Yeah....that is exactly what we were talking about. An inch of sheath to extend into a plasic JB. You're funny dude.

BTW..... unprotected SE cable is one of those code compliant but dangerous things. We don't even do that in the wild west. We have more common sense than to run power lines within reach of children and landscapers

The book says it's right but common sense says it's wrong.

BigLou · Sep 6, 2008

jwelectric said:
Just what is the purpose of having the box in the first place?

Could it have anything to do with confinement of any type of arc that could occur?

Mike,
I am not an electrician not even close. Last time I checked an arc can get to over 5k degrees am I supposed to believe that a plastic box is going to confine a 5000 degree arc in any meaningful way ?

Lou

BigLou · Sep 6, 2008

Bob NH said:
I suspect that, at least with respect to homeowners, "The insurance won't pay" argument does not apply.

This is generally correct, they will however gladly sue any body they don't insure if they think they are at all to blame.

http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Jun/1/127907.html

JWelectric · Sep 6, 2008

BigLou said:
Mike,
I am not an electrician not even close. Last time I checked an arc can get to over 5k degrees am I supposed to believe that a plastic box is going to confine a 5000 degree arc in any meaningful way ?

Lou

Hey Lou
I'm no engineer but that is exactly the reason for having enclosures aroung joints, splices ect.........

Edited to add;
An arc flash can reach as high as 32000 degrees

JWelectric · Sep 6, 2008

BigLou said:
This is generally correct, they will however gladly sue any body they don't insure if they think they are at all to blame.

http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Jun/1/127907.html

as well as the ones they do insure if they are the blame

Drick · Sep 7, 2008

jwelectric said:
as well as the ones they do insure if they are the blame

Only if it was intentional. Insurance covers stupidity when it comes to a homeowner. Same holds true for the licensed guys. Their insurance pays when they screw up.

JWelectric · Sep 8, 2008

drick said:
Only if it was intentional. Insurance covers stupidity when it comes to a homeowner. Same holds true for the licensed guys. Their insurance pays when they screw up.

Believe it or not, installations such as described in this thread would be intentional and also noncode compliant and opens that door.

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