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    I want to install incandescent track lighting on either side of the fan. I want the fan and the track lighting to work off a dimmer switch. How can I accomplish this. Currently the fan box has three wires. Green,White & Purple attached to a single pole switch. Please explain in simple terms as I am a bit challenged by this. Thanks for any help.

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    You can't run a fan motor off a dimmer. It requires a specialized speed control. If you only have the hot an neutral wires, you have no way to separate the fan from the fan-light. You will need to run more wires so you can put in more switches and fan controls.

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    You may have room to install a wireless controller in the fan mount which uses just 2 wires and the ground to it and then it separates the current to the fan and light, with dimmers and fan speed controls. The main switch has to be a single pole without a dimmer or speed control.

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    I think I would like to try and run additional wires. As the Purple (The Hot When grounded and tested) Green and White are in conduit and I believe I can pull additional wire through. I hope there is enough space in the conduit. Can I eliminate one wire and use that as a pull.

    Can you explain in simple terms how I go about wiring this. I hope I am being clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christo View Post
    ...Can you explain in simple terms how I go about wiring this..
    Wiring is not a simple thing! There is a lot of danger to life and property if this is not done correctly. You or someone from your family could be eletrocuited or a fire could result from an improper installation.

    Furthermore if something does happen (like your house burns down), and this electrical work was not done to code and inspected, your insurance company does not have to pay a cent!

    If you want to learn about electrical wiring, I suggest you get some books on wiring and learn the basics first.

    Also think about how *you* would do this. Then hire an electrician to do the work and see if he does it the same way you would have done it. If it is done differently, it is for safety. Learn why the wiring was done the way the electrician did it.

    Another thing is electrical "codes". This is an "instruction book" on how to do wiring so accidents will not likely happen. Good stuff! It is called the "National Electrical Code" and should be at your local library.

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    your information may very well be correct, now don't you think i understand the ramifications. my project is not complicated. furthermore i thought this was a diy forum. the only people that achieve success are persistent despite obstacles. btw, i am trying to get a professional to no avail yet, apparently the job is too small, im only guessing. your response is not appropriate. spare me, don't clutter this forum with rhetoric. anyone care to help, i would sincerely appreciate it.

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    Well, yuu haven't helped us a lot..... A picture and/or diagram of what you have would help. A purple wire is rather unusual, so we don't know what we are dealing with.

    Do you want the fan lights to be separately controlled from the new track lights? Do you have the manual for the fan? Is a remote or speed control module available?

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    If you were a competent DIY'er in electricity, you would know that you cannot "eliminate" one wire, but you can use one of them to pull TWO new wires. The extra one you need and one to replace your pull wire. But you would also probably have known how to do it in the first place without asking here. Why didn't you tell us it was in conduit originally? That would have made a difference in our responses.

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    I am in a condominium and the ceiling is a concrete slab. This conduit is a gray plastic tube that the three wires are in. The box in the ceiling is metal that supports the fan. The purple wire (Hot when tested and grounded by a tester reads 120V)and Green and White wire are also in this box. At the single pole switch the purple and a black is on this single pole switch.
    The channels are in place already. One on each side of the room, with the box for the fan in the center. My ideal project would be to have a fan running, no light attached to it, and it does not have to have variable speeds perhaps just set to slow to medium. My priority is to have the track lighting on a dimmer. Again, thank you very much for your help.

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    So, the switch that activates the fan has a black and the purple wire on it?

    You need at least one additional wire. But, in the electrical box where the switch is, are there also any white wires? Many dimmers need a neutral. If that box doesn't have any, you'd need two new wires, and there should be a ground in there as well.

    How would you get the wires out of the fan box to the track lighting?
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    Yes the switch that activates the fan has a black and purple on it.
    The electrical box has a total of three single pole switches. One for the fan, one for the outside light, and one controls a receptacle in the wall. There are several white wires in the box all tied together but do not go to any of the switches. I have used a light aluminum casing to attach the wires from the fan box to the lights.

    I am not clear what wires from the light get tied into the box that has the 3 wires, purple,green and white, and what wires are tied into the switch. Also what new wire do I run from the switch to the box. One last thing, what type of switch do I buy and what wires are attached where on the switch to make the lights and fan function. I hope I was clear, and I wish I could understand it by now. BTW I am trying to obtain an electrician, however to no avail. I guess the job is too small. I sought advise from this forum thinking that this was not that involved. Thanks again all for your patience and help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadnashua View Post
    So, the switch that activates the fan has a black and the purple wire on it?

    You need at least one additional wire. But, in the electrical box where the switch is, are there also any white wires? Many dimmers need a neutral. If that box doesn't have any, you'd need two new wires, and there should be a ground in there as well.

    How would you get the wires out of the fan box to the track lighting?

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    Are you in a highrise building? Sometimes in a highrise they use colored wiring which would not be typical to "home wiring".

    Anyway following is a wiring diagram of a switch and light bulb...
    http://www.make-my-own-house.com/images/ellightbulb.jpg

    In the above diagram, black is connected to the switch, then to the light. The light could instead be a ceiling fan. Same wiring. In your case it sounds like they used purple instead of black.

    To be clear on what color is what...
    Purple connects to the switch terminal and this switch turns on the fan and the fan light?

    And white is passed through and also goes to the fan and fan light?

    Then green should be ground. A ground wire would also connect to the metal in a metal electrical box or the metal covering of the ceiling fan.

    Now if the above is true, the big question is...
    Are there several conduit pipes going to this 3 switch electrical box?
    Is there one conduit pipe in which only the fan wiring goes?

    So from the ceiling fan switch, there are 3 wires going into a conduit pipe and these are purple, white, and green? And these are the only wires in that conduit pipe? And only the same three colors come out the pipe at the ceiling fan electrical box?

    The reason I am asking is that sometimes a conduit pipe will go to several points before arriving at its "final destination". So the question is if that pipe goes directly to the ceiling fan from the switch box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christo View Post
    I have used a light aluminum casing to attach the wires from the fan box to the lights.
    Please explain or photo that!

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    I am in a multiple dwelling 3 stories.

    Yes Purple connects to the switch and turns on the fan. It is attatched to a wireless remote that turns on the light. I don't have to have the light work if this is a big problem however it would be nice if I could. I could always disconnect the light assembly.

    Yes white is passed through and goes to the fan and also connected to the light.

    Yes, green should be ground.

    Yes there are several conduit pipes each going to there respective points. Only one conduit pipe for the fan wiring.
    Yes only 3 wires going into a conduit pipe and these are purple, white, and green. These are the only wires in that conduit pipe.

    Yes directly from the ceiling fan to the switch. These are the only wires in the conduit pipe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy_Bob View Post
    Are you in a highrise building? Sometimes in a highrise they use colored wiring which would not be typical to "home wiring".

    Anyway following is a wiring diagram of a switch and light bulb...
    http://www.make-my-own-house.com/images/ellightbulb.jpg

    In the above diagram, black is connected to the switch, then to the light. The light could instead be a ceiling fan. Same wiring. In your case it sounds like they used purple instead of black.

    To be clear on what color is what...


    Purple connects to the switch terminal and this switch turns on the fan and the fan light?

    And white is passed through and also goes to the fan and fan light?


    Then green should be ground. A ground wire would also connect to the metal in a metal electrical box or the metal covering of the ceiling fan.


    Now if the above is true, the big question is...
    Are there several conduit pipes going to this 3 switch electrical box?
    Is there one conduit pipe in which only the fan wiring goes?


    So from the ceiling fan switch, there are 3 wires going into a conduit pipe and these are purple, white, and green? And these are the only wires in that conduit pipe? And only the same three colors come out the pipe at the ceiling fan electrical box?
    And only the same three colors come out the pipe at the ceiling fan electrical box?

    The reason I am asking is that sometimes a conduit pipe will go to several points before arriving at its "final destination". So the question is if that pipe goes directly to the ceiling fan from the switch box?

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    They connect together to get your respective length. It is sold in Home Depot. You can also get left or right angle to make turns. They come in white or beige. Used mainly in condos. Basically conceals the wire. Hope that helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Please explain or photo that!

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