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    I ended up purchasing 3 Gwyneth once piece toilets and we absolutely LOVE them!
    The universal height is great...except now when i use someone else's toilet it always seems so low! lol The Sanagloss is good and the double cyclone flush cleans very well most times however sometimes you do need to use the brush a bit.
    My only minor complaint would be that the flush is a little bit noisy but only for a second so no big deal.
    Overall I rate this 9.5 out of 10

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    Last edited by Terry; 07-16-2009 at 08:44 AM.

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    Are the fill valve and flush valve on the one and two-piece Gwyneths replaceable with the Korky parts from Lowe's?

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    Toto uses a few different valve manufacturers. One of them is Korky. While you can replace the normal wear part on the Korky supplied versions (cap assembly and flapper) with their parts stocked at Lowes. You may not want to replace the whole valve assembly (not normally necessary anyway). It will work, but they have them made with a custom restrictor to get the bowl to tank water ratio just right to minimize any excess water use dumped down the drain into the bowl.
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    Default Bowl rinse of 1.28 DC vs. 1.6 DC & 1.6 GMAX

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I've been using a Gwyneth one-piece for a few months now.
    The water in the bowl is pretty similar to the Drake and Ultramax, except that there is a bit less volume in the bowl.

    The flush is pretty quick and rinses fairly well.
    The comfort height is nice.
    Specs for Gwyneth
    Hey Terry,

    1) So how does the bowl rinse of the Gwyneth 1.28 gpf double-cyclone compare to the bowl rinse of the Guinevere/Soiree 1.6 gpf double-cyclone? Is it noticeably different?

    2) Would you say the bowl rinse of the Gwyneth 1.28 gpf double-cyclone is better than the bowl rinse of the Drake 1.6 GMAX?

    Thanks!

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    Last edited by Terry; 01-17-2010 at 05:36 PM.

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    Default Gwyneth ranking

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    The Gwyneth works fine. I need to update the list.
    So where would you rank it?

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    Last edited by Terry; 07-16-2009 at 09:04 AM.

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    Default Ultramax II Test--Consumer Reports

    I read your opinions on Consumer Reports testing. I do have a concern, though, about the Ultramax II that I'm looking to buy. I saw the video from Toto showing the flushing of the blue liquid. They showed the blue liquid flushed completely. The video produced by Consumer Reports actually showed that the blue liquid did not flush completely on the first flush but had to be flushed a second time to remove the blue liquid. What would cause that to happen? Are you still very confident in the flushing ability in the Double Cyclone flush? Thanks a lot.


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    I have the Ultramax II in my main bath.

    So after reading your post, and watching the CR video, I went upstairs and tried the same thing on mine.

    It worked fine.

    I have no ideal what Consumer Reports is doing to make their Ultramax II fail a test like that.

    Neither mine, nor any that I have installed for customers work like the one on the Consumer Reports Video.

    So the big question is, What have they done?

    Are they still unhappy with my report to the point that they now need to make stuff up?
    Here are a few emails I got from Consumer Reports on 2000

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    I would put it just below the Sanagloss version of the Drake and Ultramax.

    I still like those a bunch.
    I have the Sanagloss Ultramax downstairs.

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    Thanks for your quick response. We cannot get the Ultramax with Sanagloss in Bone. Which would you recommend, the Ultramax without the Sanagloss or the Ultramax II with Sanagloss? We are not going to get the Drake because we want a one-piece toilet. Thanks again.

    Rick

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    It bepends on your water.
    If youir water leaves rings, then the Sanagloss II in Bone may be better, or the Carlyle, with comes in Bone and Sanagloss.

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    Thanks a million for your help, Terry. With our horrendously hard water in Arizona, I think the answer is clear--Ultramax II with Sanagloss it is! You've been of great assistance to me--Your website ROCKS!!!

    Rick

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    Talking Ultramax ll

    Have had my Ultramax ll for several months now and I can't say enough about how well it works and how easy it is to clean! I did a lot of research on your site before spending that kind of money and am so pleased that I didn't get the American Standard Cadet. I absolutely love the Ultramax ll's cyclone flush...it is so quick, and the refill time is fantastic. The cleaning is easy too. I just spray a little cleaner on it, flush and the yuck is gone. I bought a soft brush for cleaning and haven't needed to use it once. The interior bowl configuration does have a shadow at the water line which can make the bowl look dirty when it isn't. And I do wish the seat was a little easier to clean where the bolts meet the bowl. There is opportunity for liquids to get under there. There is a bit of splash back on the front underside of the seat, but it is easy to clean, so that's ok. I have considered getting a Bemis seat instead. Any thoughts?
    All in all, I wouldn't trade my Toto for any other toilet!
    No need for a plunger yet either! Woohoo! And that was a big consideration with the guys in the house...
    Installation would have been easy but my contractor made a "minor" error in measuring the distance from the wall to the drain. Was off a quarter inch and I was being told I would have to get a different toilet. We finally decided to make a niche in the wall to accomodate the difference, but when they got in there the cast iron vent pipe was in the way. So the tiler curved the wall behind the toilet to fit. I am so glad I insisted that there must be a way to make it work! It actually looks really cool, like we planned it that way!

    Anyway, thanks Terry and everyone who helped!
    Su

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    Talking Awesome Toilet!

    I love this tiolet! Definently worth the money. This is my first Toto and i think I'm hooked.


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    Default Consumer Reports blue dye explanation??

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I have the Ultramax II in my main bath.

    So after reading your post, and watching the CR video, I went upstairs and tried the same thing on mine.

    It worked fine.

    I have no ideal what Consumer Reports is doing to make their Ultramax II fail a test like that.

    Neither mine, nor any that I have installed for customers work like the one on the Consumer Reports Video.

    So the big question is, What have they done?

    I
    Terry, as someone who is actively looking to replace an old toilet, I have been looking into my various Toto options and came across both the Consumer Reports article and your great web site.

    It seems really crazy that CR could get such a drastically different result than other people, including you, seem to have experienced.

    So I took a careful look at both the Toto video and the CR video of the Ultramax II flush with blue dye. What seemed fairly apparent to me was that the water level in the bowl (prior to the flush) was much lower in the CR video than the Toto video.

    In the Toto video, it appears that the water level exactly fills the depression in the bottom of the bowl, and then slightly overflows the depression when they add the blue dye. However, in the CR video, with the dye added, the water does not seem to fill the depression.

    Could this be a clue as to why CR got a different result?

    I don't know how interested you are in doing more experiments, or if you still have your Ultramax II, but you might like to try scooping out some water from the bowl and then re-trying the dye test. Perhaps that would reproduce CR's result?

    In any case, thanks for this really valuable and informative web site!

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    In the Toto video, it appears that the water level exactly fills the depression in the bottom of the bowl, and then slightly overflows the depression when they add the blue dye. However, in the CR video, with the dye added, the water does not seem to fill the depression.

    Could this be a clue as to why CR got a different result?
    It's more then just that.
    When I showed the CR video to Jamie, he immediately came to the same conclusion I did.

    Somebody had plugged the bowl.

    They plugged the bowl up, and then ran their test.
    When you plug a bowl, the water doesn't siphon out.
    So how do you make a "bowl test" fail? You stuff it with rubber sponges,
    and then make a video of it.

    However, they did mention two other toilet models in their test nine times.
    One Gerber toilet got five mentions, and the Kohler they listed four times.
    The Gerber had a round bowl, an elongated bowl and an ADA bowl, and the same tank.
    The Kohler was the same toilet, with the choice of a big box, two boxes, or two boxes with a different label.

    I have the Ultramax II in my main bath.
    Works great!
    I sell lot's of the Ultramax II, many of those are referring their friends and neighbors.
    Anytime CR needs tips on toilets, they can give me a call.

    And I promise I won't write reports on car batteries.

    Consumer Reports wants to flush "Consumer Toilet Report" site
    Last edited by Terry; 01-30-2010 at 11:54 AM.

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