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    I currently have 3 Drake 1.6 GPF toilets that I love. I've been considering moving to a more water friendly 1.28 GPF model for the most used toilet on the ground floor of my house. Could I easily convert my existing Drake 1.6 to a 1.28 GPF model? If so what parts would be required? From what I have read it looks like the only difference between the 2 is the filler and the flapper valve.

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    It depends on the age. In the last few years, they went with an Eco bowl, there is an E instead of an S on the part number. The E bowl works with either tank, but the S bowl needs the S tank.
    The tanks porcelain is the same, in the tanks case, it "is" the flapper and fill valve. The flapper is weighted, and the fill valve is tuned to shutoff sooner so it doesn't keep overfilling the bowl.
    Homeowners that use a Fluidmaster 400A fill valve can wind up overfilling and wasting a bunch of water.

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    So it's not as simple as swapping the filler and flapper valve, unless I have an E bowl? Is this due to part incompatibility or a bowl wash issue with the older S bowl?

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    The S bowl holds more water.

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    Is there a replacement fill valve, other than original equipment, that does not overfill the bowl?

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    Supposedly, there is at least one brand of fill valve that is easily adjustable in the ratio of bowl to tank filling. It was discussed here somewhere and a search might find it. I think it ends up being more expensive than ordering the one customized for Toto, so probably isn't worth the effort. Depending on which fill valve you get, if it is the one made for them by Korky, the only real wear part is readily available at Lowes for less than $3, so there is little reason to replace the whole thing. If you did, if you saved the restrictor, you could probably use it in the generic one to achieve the same tank/bowl fill ratio.
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    Between the two Korky replacement fill valves, the 528 and the 528T, which one directs more water down the overflow?

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    The 528T puts more water in the bowl.
    The 528 doesn't quite fill the bowl.
    That's why I recommend the $2.47 assembly cap repair instead of complete replacement.

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    So, if you replaced the original Toto fill valve on a 1.28 gallon Toto model with the Korky 528 fill valve, would it come close to matching the original water level in the bowl?

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    Close will degrade the flushing ability...ideally, the bowl level will be just at the max level. If a bowl doesn't fill completely during the cycle, the next time you flush, some of the water needs to fill it up before it can start the evacuation process. This can radically affect how it flushes. The older ones tended to overfill the bowl and waste water while filling the tank. The manufacturers spend time to get the balance just right so it can meet the required water use spec.
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    Sounds like a question for Toto tech support.
    For Toto, I've been using the 528T, or getting new fill valves from Toto tech support.
    My experience with the 528 has been that the bowl doesn't fill all the way.

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