Reply With QuoteTake a pic of the setup and draw what you are proposing...
A WC would be tied in below the floor...
You would probably be better off chipping the slab up and tying in below grade...
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Making an old cleanout into a new drain
We have a single-story 1920's bungalow with 1 bathroom. We've done some remodeling to the kitchen, bath, and made a laundry room upstairs, so we have done a little plumbing. Now we want to add a sink and a toilet to the basement.
We have 1 main dwv stack into which all drains flow (except the drain in the floor of the basement). The stack has a vent pipe right next to it. In the corner of the basement, there is a cleanout with yellow cap on it. If we remove the cap we can see water flowing through it to the sewer, and we can smell sewer gas coming out. NOTE: the prrevious owners added a cleanout outside the home about 8 years ago when they had some major plumbing issues.
We're thinking that we can add a drain pipe and a vent to the cleanout in the corner of the basement, and connect a toilet and sink to that drain pipe. We plan to either tie the new vent into the current vent in the attic, or take it all the way through the roof.
My questions: 1) Is this acceptable per code in most places? (we're in Indy, IN) and 2) Where should we add the vent pipe along the new drain pipe?
You guys helped me out before when I put in the drain for the washer in the new laundry room. I'd appreciate any advice you can give me on this adventure.
Take a pic of the setup and draw what you are proposing...
A WC would be tied in below the floor...
You would probably be better off chipping the slab up and tying in below grade...
You can probably do what you propose, however, I would recommend doing it in such a way that you still have the full-sized cleanout on the drain pipe when you're fnished. The outside cleanout is great, but there's no reason to disable something that may be of future use. I've seen this done many times and whenever I've had to do it, I've included a new cleanout rather than just converting to a drain.
IPC does not allow any conversion of clean out to additional drainage via threaded adapter (or any other adapter). Don't know what code you are on or what other codes will allow.
I doubt any code would allow it with the exception of maybe the Guatamalan Plumbing Code where it would be an upgrade from using a bucket!Originally Posted by smellslike$tome
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If you can see the water flowing past, it may be a sanitary tee rather than a Y-1/8 bend setup, in which case it would not be a proper connection point. As far as the threaded connection goes, it is usually very easy to remove enough concrete to take it off and make a proper connection. The type of pipe will determine exactly how easy it is.
my last bit of drain line that just needs to be glued (scheduled to happen tomorrow night) has me connecting into a threaded adapter. can someone explain to me why this is not a good idea?
right now there is a long sweep wye with the sweep going to one drain line and a threaded adapter with a clean out on the other side. the drain line is buried behind a bunch of copper and my new HVAC duct. My plan is to thread onto it, add another long sweep wye and pickup my new drain and put the cleanout on the end. I don't see how this is any different than if i could tap into the drain line. i wish i had a picture handy.
the ID of the threaded part is the same as everything else, the bends are all within code, and i was going to glue the threaded part together.
please steer me in the right direction.
I am going to glue this thing up tonight.
Can anyone please tell me why it is a bad idea to use a threaded adapter to extend a drain line?
Because the plumbing code forbids it and that's all you really need to know.
Thanks for your responses, everyone. Okay - I accept that it's not code, but is it dangerous??And if not, where should we put the vent pipe? Thanks.
the why is...
if you put a threaded coupler in the middle of a joist bay, on a horzontal run inside a finished wall, you'd end up with a clog on the exposed threads (nice place for stuff to embed), you (or the next person - which is one reason why code exists) would not know it is there, and a snake might not pass it easily -
really need a pic - if you can take a cell pic, pm me, and i'll give you a place to MMS it to, and i'll post it.
if you are above ground, why not just cut into vertical run
and add the correct fitting, rather than adapting to the cleanout? Use two banded couplers of the correct type (ie iron-pvc) to insert the wye.
are you pumping-up the waste or using gravity?
I get the feeling that the (de)merits of one possible solution are preventing our plumbers from providing a more elegant (and simple) solution for you.
did we end up with two initiators in this thread? r-bob, what did you end up doing?
The location of the vent is dictated by the pipe size and length..where it connects into your current vent is a code issue (see other threads)
pat
sorry to hijack the thread.
i didn't glue it last night, it was too cold and got busy on other projects.
i am still planning on doing it.
there is going to be a new clean out less than six inches from there these dangerous exposed threads will be. plus i am also going to glue the old threads...effectively removing them as a point of friction.
i don't have a picture, but here is my best description:
i have a 2" horizontal line from my sewer stack, it comes to a T-Y like thiswhere it horizontally turns 90 degrees and there is a clean out on the back.
my plan is to thread into the clean out, add a small length of pipe (6") and add another T-Y
The reason I don't cut it out and glue in all the parts new is that the T-Y that is in there is buried amongst copper and a new HVAC supply trunk...so I can't really get in there without hitting it from the other side of the wall and tearing out more stuff. my house is already 80% torn to the studs...
thanks.
R-Bob
My brother has something like this and it never clogs - only whoever did it, cut off the threaded part and used a fernco around the hub. i imagine that they relieved the edges on the inside of the pvc (?). i'm not sure if this is a stock part, or if they messed with a 3x4 to get it to work.
the threads aren't really dangerous, more evil or conniving
Why did you bother asking if you were planning on ignoring our advice? I hope it works out for you.
Because so far the advice has been "because i said so" rather than a logical explanation.
The only reason so far has been stuff getting caught on the threads. I will mitigate that problem by screwing it in all the way, using glue and then testing with my finger that it is smooth.
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