(206) 949-5683, Top Rated Plumber, Seattle
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 21

Thread: Laundry Room Wiring - Did I goof

  1. #1
    DIY Member devans175's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    66

    Default Laundry Room Wiring - Did I goof

    I'm building a new laundry room and I want to make sure I didn't mess up the wiring. There was an existing 12/2 cable coming off of a 20 amp breaker. There was nothing but a flourecent light connected to it. I spliced into it with several runs of 14/2 cable. There will be 3 flourescent lights, a very small bathroom fan and 2 receptacles. The only thing that will be plugged into the recepts is a steam iron. The lights are on one branch and the recepts ware on a separate branch. Did I screw up?

  2. #2

    Default

    You cannot have 14-ga wire on a 20-a breaker.
    Just my 2 worth.

  3. #3
    Plumber Cass's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    5,984

    Default

    You must remove all the 14/2 wireing and change it to 12/2.

    Why did you use 14/2?

  4. #4
    Licensed Electrical Contractor Speedy Petey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    NY State, USA
    Posts
    975

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by devans175 View Post
    The only thing that will be plugged into the recepts is a steam iron.
    Yeah. And a steam iron is one of the heaviest draw items in your home.

    Remove the 14 and install the proper size wire. ALL receptacles in a laundry room must be #12 wire and 20A circuits.

    You say a bath fan? Does this mean you are also feeding a bathroom? If so the bath receptacles CANNOT share a circuit with the laundry room.

    There are plenty of codes regarding these rooms. I'd study up on them before going ANY further.

  5. #5
    DIY Member devans175's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    66

    Default

    I just wasn't paying attention. I'm used to seeing 12/2 cable as yellow. The existing cable was kind of an off white. I just happened to look at the markings and saw it was 12/2. I was also surprised when I saw how much current an iron draws, that's when I got concerned and decided I should ask.

    Lesson Learned. I'm going to split the lights off onto a 14/2 circuit and re-wire the recepts. Thanks!!

  6. #6
    Plumber Cass's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    5,984

    Default

    The scary thing about this is all the DIYrs that will do this and not ask any one and then there will be a fire and possibly loss of life.

  7. #7
    Senior Robin Hood Guy Ian Gills's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    2,781

    Default

    Which is why, as a DIYer, I am only going to run 12 gauge wire now, even on 15 amp circuits. It will make any upgrade (by me or someone else down the line), to 20 amps easier and potentially safer (if they overlook the wiring).

    Obviously wiring for 30 amp (10 gauge), 40 amp (8 gauge) and 50 amp (6 gauge) circuits is a different beast, I am just talking small appliance circuits here.
    Last edited by Ian Gills; 12-07-2007 at 07:46 AM.

  8. #8
    Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek Mikey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    2,685

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gills View Post
    Which is why, as a DIYer, I am only going to run 12 gauge wire now, even on 15 amp circuits.
    It's also cheaper to buy 12-2 250' at a time than it is to buy the odd small chunk of 14-2 as well, I think.

    I'm helping a neighbor rewire a garage apartment, and he goes by the cable color also. He's going to be in real trouble if the colors change in the future. I taught him about the markings but it's easier for him to just think "white for lighting" and "yellow for receptacles". We opted for the 14-2 because he has a LOT of lighting and smoke detector circuit cable requirement, justifying the 250' roll of 14-2 also.

  9. #9
    Electrician Chris75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Litchfield, CT
    Posts
    608

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Petey View Post

    Remove the 14 and install the proper size wire. ALL receptacles in a laundry room must be #12 wire and 20A circuits.

    Speedy, I don't see in the code where ALL receptacles in a laundry need to be 20amp, Your required at least ONE 20amp laundry circuit, which is allowed to supply other receptacles in the laundry area, but I dont see where ALL of the receptacles MUST be on the 20amp circuit...

  10. #10
    Licensed Electrical Contractor Speedy Petey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    NY State, USA
    Posts
    975

    Default

    See 210.11(C)(2). It is the exact same wording as for the required (minimum) two small appliance circuits in a kitchen.
    You gonna install 15 amp receptacle circuits in a kitchen too?


    210.11 Branch Circuits Required

    (C) Dwelling Units

    (1) Small-Appliance Branch Circuits
    In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits shall be provided for all receptacle outlets specified by 210.52(B).

    (2) Laundry Branch Circuits In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.

    (3) Bathroom Branch Circuits In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets.

  11. #11

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Petey View Post
    See 210.11(C)(2). It is the exact same wording as for the required (minimum) two small appliance circuits in a kitchen.
    You gonna install 15 amp receptacle circuits in a kitchen too?
    No, because of 210.52(B)(1) and (3).

    But there is no requirement, as Chris75 says, that all the laundry receptacles be on the 20a laundry circuit. You can put the 210.11(C)(2)-required 20a laundry circuit behind the laundry pair, and then have as many other receptacles on 15a circuit(s) as your heart desires.
    Just my 2 worth.

  12. #12
    Licensed Electrical Contractor Speedy Petey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    NY State, USA
    Posts
    975

    Default

    All I can say is I disagree. I have really never heard of this being interpreted any other way.
    This is of course for a room/area specifically designated as the "laundry".

  13. #13
    Electrician Chris75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Litchfield, CT
    Posts
    608

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Petey View Post
    All I can say is I disagree. I have really never heard of this being interpreted any other way.
    This is of course for a room/area specifically designated as the "laundry".
    Your more than welcome to your opinion...

  14. #14

    Default

    (
    3) Bathroom Branch Circuits In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets.

    That's what I thought but I read this in another post.



    Unless a local amendment prohibits it you most certainly CAN have the receptacle and lighting on the same circuit in a bath. That is provided that circuit does not leave the bathroom.


    Again, I am confused.

  15. #15
    Electrician Chris75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Litchfield, CT
    Posts
    608

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alectrician View Post
    (


    That's what I thought but I read this in another post.







    Again, I am confused.

    What exactly are you confused on? Did you read the exception?

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •