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    Default Nice low-flow toilet comparision chart

    I found this report on a number of low flow toilets and it seemed to be fairly extensively done and it encompasses a number of different makes/models:

    http://www.crd.bc.ca/water/conservat...th_Edition.pdf
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    That's where we get the MaP ratings from.
    They test for how much "media" can be flushed consistently without plugging.

    What they don't look at is:

    Quality control
    Bowl rinse
    Noise levels
    Availability of parts
    How easy it is to make repairs at a later date
    Whether there is a class action suit against a model of toilet
    Perception of quality and appearance.

    And really, if a car has a 350 cubic engine, is it always better than one that has a smaller engine?
    If that were the case, the the car I took up sking with have the large engine, even though the rear tires would spin on snow.
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    Default updated version with Toto ECO toilets

    As an FYI, the link below is for a November '07 update to the MaP ratings and includes more 'ECO' toilets by Toto.

    http://www.cuwcc.org/toilet_fixtures/HET.pdf

    For me, the numbers alone are depressing because I really like the styling of the EcoNexus but it gets dinged in a MaP comparison to other options.
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    I woulldn't worry about it.
    I've used Toto toilets with an MaP of 325 and never needed a plunger.
    I've used other brands with high MaPs and plugged them.

    I don't know if they test with paper, but that's the thing I worry about.
    I've been selling a lot of the Nexus toilets lately.
    They do look killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I've been selling a lot of the Nexus toilets lately.
    Terry,
    Thank you for the input.

    Is the Nexus completely enclosed or is it open in the back like the Aquia?

    I read the Aquia uses a plastic trapway which may be a bit noisier -- is that true for the Nexus as well? Can you comment on if the Nexus or the Drake is quieter overall?

    I'm looking at ADA versions of both with the 'Eco' 1.28 gpf ratings. Can either of these be will-called through you in Claremont, CA?

    Thank you,
    Dave

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    Noise levels are similar.

    The Nexus bowl is a closer to the wall than the Aquia.
    They are both open at the back.

    The plastic trapways like with the Nexus and Aquia allow you to hear a few drops of water leaving the trapway when water is added to the bowl.

    It's not even something you notice after you use it a few times.
    Do you still listen to the clock on your car dash anymore?
    Or just when you first bought the car?

    I do have will call in Claremont for these products.

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    An excellent toilet which I install for all my customers is the Kohler Cimarron

    excellent toilet, excellent flush at an excellent price

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    Having used a Cimarron,
    There is no rinse at the back of the bowl
    And it plugs more than the Toto Drake and the Toto Dalton.

    The Titan was getting 900 on the MaP, same as the Drake, but without the quality look about it.
    There has been a problem with the Titan blowing out the wax seals.


    Eljer Titan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    That's where we get the MaP ratings from.
    They test for how much "media" can be flushed consistently without plugging.

    What they don't look at is:

    Quality control
    Bowl rinse
    Noise levels
    Availability of parts
    How easy it is to make repairs at a later date
    Whether there is a class action suit against a model of toilet
    Perception of quality and appearance.

    And really, if a car has a 350 cubic engine, is it always better than one that has a smaller engine?
    If that were the case, the the car I took up sking with have the large engine, even though the rear tires would spin on snow.


    Ahh very true Terry, I was just hoping the chart could help me select some lower end toilets that work well; most of my customers can't justify spending the $$$ on a Toto, and I really can't recommend the Drake in good conscience on any other factor than performance alone, because it looks so damn ugly to me! I have installed the cadet3, and thought it was pretty decent, but I will shy away from recommending it to customers anymore because of the problems with the unit that I have read about on the forum.

    I am starting to push Totos more, especially after having listened to your ravings about them (I installed a Dorian for myself, and even though I am a plumber, I still find it strange that a toilet should give so much satisfaction heh). I read that you instaled a Toto Aquia in your own home a couple of years ago, I am considering recommending this unit as one of my lower end toilets, but I am not sure how well people would react to the small water spot. I remember the first time that I installed a Caroma, that the small water spot was a bit of a shock, and that it would "stain" easily. Do you find that the Aquia is fairly good, or really good at washing away "remnants," or do you need to brush the inside of the bowl regularly?

    thx
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    TOTO Drake, This is ugly?

    The Aquia does look nice, always a head turner in a bathroom.
    The Drake to many people looks nice, but not with the drop dead look of the Aquia. the Aquia does have a fairly good bowl wash in the 1.6 mode.
    More porcelain does show, and I would give the edge to bowl cleanliness to the Drake style.

    TOTO Drake 800 grams by Veritech, Video
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post

    TOTO Drake, This is ugly?

    The Aquia does look nice, always a head turner in a bathroom.
    The Drake to many people looks nice, but not with the drop dead look of the Aquia. the Aquia does have a fairly good bowl wash in the 1.6 mode.
    More porcelain does show, and I would give the edge to bowl cleanliness to the Drake style.


    Ahaha, sorry Terry, but to me the Drake just looks too plain and old fashioned. That is just my opinion on it, and as you say, most people say it looks good enough. Thank you for your reply on the Aquia; but I think I will have to reccomend it with a warning based on what you say

    It's too bad about American Standard, I really like alot of their product lines, but they seem to be mostly garbage.
    Last edited by Terry; 12-08-2008 at 10:45 AM.
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