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    Quote Originally Posted by RUGGED View Post
    I get customers all the time that are too lazy to maintain a water softener. They'll drag a huge bag of kitty litter to their basement but mention salt and won't do it.
    I gotta laugh at that. At my last job we bought salt for the softeners about every three months. Two tons at a time.

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    My fav line was the term "micro" elements.....


    balderdash!
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    Default ahh.... the reasons why...

    Quote Originally Posted by Furd View Post
    I gotta laugh at that. At my last job we bought salt for the softeners about every three months. Two tons at a time.
    I'm guessing the chemicals Not used on the "Dolphin" installation just about balance out the installation cost in a year. So the 15,000 $ cost is reasonable for that installation, IF ... it works.


    I DO NOT sell or profit from the sale of any of these devices.

    Since ... everything is made up of atoms that have electrons. Some materials have "extra" electrons, and some have places for "extra" electrons to bond to.

    anything to get those bonds to happen in a way other than scaling out and fouling equipment may be desirable. IF there is a way to play with the molecule's charge and get them to stick together in a group that no longer has the wish / ability to become scale...... that would mean less harmful and expensive chemicals used to combat scale.

    "Magnetic Water Treatment" can work. LIMITEDLY. I've seen it. Too many expect it to do things it doesn't do.!.!.

    There are many applications that are not good ones. The charge manipulation makes it possible for reactions to happen, doesn't force them, and if the reaction doesn't happen before the "charge" dissipates it reverts to working the old way.
    That's probably why magnetic treatment seems to be finding more places it works within systems that are once thru or recirculating within a limited time frame. (probably a few hours maximum.) When cooling tower water comes back and gets treated again and again the scaling components can actually agglomerate large enough to be separated / filtered out ... and that's good.
    I personally am still looking for how to apply this to boiler water treatment. I have to add chemicals to control scale, corrosion, and then more chemicals to handle whats left over from the chemical treatment... and then blow down some of the boiler's water to keep it from being too concentrated. It's expensive, and I'm open for ways to reduce expenses.

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    I want one that has flashing LED's like this so I know it's working.

    Freakin Disco Water Conditioning

    The more it flashes the harder these electrons are working...
    Last edited by Redwood; 02-10-2009 at 08:38 AM.

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    The biggest problem is even if the magnets could precipitate enough of the minerals to make a differance, you still have to do something with them. In traditional softeners they adhere to the resin bed and are later flushed. In the Magnet system they still discharge through the faucet. Makes one scratch the old noggin, but you can sell ice to exkimo's if you talk fast enough.

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    First, the claims I have seen are not that the systems precipitate the minerals, but somehow "align the molecules" in a manner that they do not precitate on your faucets and on the bottom of the WH. I am highly skeptical due to the already mentioned fact that minerals are not ferromagnetic.

    One company around here advertises that they will pay your sales tax...a $250 savings. That would make the system about $3,000. It is supposed to soften your water and make it taste better. "Maintenance Free" and if you move, unplug it and take it with you!!!


    I can tell you that nuclear submarines still use an Ion Exchange Resin Demineralizer for the pure water needed for the steam generators. If there was a better way, money would be no object and they would have it.

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    Hi I was looking up Electromagnetic water softeners for my daughters and up came your NG. So I joined it just to get on this post.
    I am an industrial designer and at design elevators.
    wikipedia has me at their site:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cali

    I don't sell these Electormagnetic softeners, but I can say the one I have works. Yes it is the LED Disco Flashing light one. It cost me $140 25 years ago from Habour Freight. I noticed it is the same price today.

    We just moved into our a Bi level ranch in Rockland County NY and water was very hard. My wife is a Physical therapist and has lots of things to wash each day. Nothing would come clean and we were getting dry peeling skin and dandruff. Also the Stainless and chrome was white stained with hard white deposits. Our plumber said we needed a water softer. My wife said she would rather leave it alone then add anything to the water system (she also don't eat meat, ha)!

    So I saw the ad for the Clearwave and asked questions. I work for the largest Elevator Company in the U.S. ( Not OTIS ) ThyssenKrupp. 40% of the steel in all cars is Thyssen Steel. I called the plant engineers and they said they use a monster unit for the paint plant and it works.
    So I bought it. Also called the manufacture and spoke to the engineers.
    THe guy said it is a slow process but it will make the soap work and you will feel the difference instantly. It will also desolve the hard formations after a month or so. All worked exactly as he said. The white deposits just wash away!! He said if you test the water it will look the same but the stuff in teh water will not stick and will pass out the system. He mentioned it changed the composition of the deposits to what is in Pearls?? Also when I had my water heater changed for the 3rd time over the 25 year period we noticed the pipes were clean unlike the first time we removed it.
    I actually forgot it was there, till my daughter needed a water softener. The Red lights are still flashing. It is a small unit you tie wrap on the main in - pipe then you have to wrap two sets of wires in opposite directions around the pipe. It took about 5 minutes.
    After 25 years I figure I saved about 10 grand and the hassle of deliveries and the room the units take up.
    Maybe if my water was harder it would not have worked as good, but now knowing what I know, I would just spend more money on a better unit and they do have them.
    Joe Cali
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    Nextgen,
    Reverend Zombie thanks you for your purchase and testamonial...


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    Ha, I see I wandered onto a NG that makes money selling old technology and people just keep sucking it up.

    Well once people find out they donít need all that Chemical Water Softener crap your sales will go the way of film Cameras, Tube TVís and buggy whips and real fast.

    I know you canít be that unknowledgeable about the new technology and without your fellow Plumbers knowing are working on selling the Electro stuff before the next guy.

    I donít sell it I donítí care, just thought I would be a nice guy and give an honest testimonial to someone that did care.

    25 freaking years guys Ė IT WORKS!!!!!!

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    Good God...


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    Cool guys stay in your little world. Three posts and I am gone.

    I was being honest, nice greeting to a new member.

    Wonder if I hold the record for shortest time on this NG.

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    Return it and get your money back.

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    Not just theorizong here, I have actually done some research on these things. A couple of smallish magnets stuck to the side of a copper pipe will never have enough strength to do do anything. Water moves through the pipe way too fast for them to have any effect at all. There is not one single bit of creditable evidence to support these things at all, anywhere. That seemingly creditable evidence that a short Google search turns up winds up being paid for testimonials and or bogus reports from equally bogus testing institutions. This is not rocket science stuff here. Anyone that really thinks about this can see through the smoke and mirrors. Even if it did somehow bond or align the molecules it does not chemically change the composition of the water. The chemicals that make water hard in the first place are still there and still end up in your glass of water. A red light should come on when you read that a water test will not show any change in chemical composition. Water can not "hide" its composition. Flashing it with a magnet can not possibly change its composition or electrical charge. Like I said, I've done a pile of research on this bogus stuff and it just plain does not add up. Kind of like tankless water heaters. The more you know the less likely you are to get ripped off.

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    Common sense says that if they worked every one including the Godfather would be using them and the salt / water softening industry would be out of buisness...

    they would be trying to sell Diamond Crystal Salt with the little facets to cling to your food better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    Common sense says that if they worked every one including the Godfather would be using them and the salt / water softening industry would be out of buisness...

    they would be trying to sell Diamond Crystal Salt with the little facets to cling to your food better...

    A company around here advertises heavily on radio, using hype ads from local radio stars. They advertise " no salt, no filters to change" so I suspect it is something like this magnet gizmo. It is a few grand, which is why customers are not beating down the doors!

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