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    Default The Great Global Warming Swindle

    http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/

    I watched this film last night, and it sure opened my eyes.
    It presented information about global warming that I haven't heard before.

    It seems that there are climate scientist that support two sides of it.

    For
    and Against

    Those that are for, are more likely to get government grants for research,
    Those that don't believe in the often stated cause, have a harder time getting research grants.

    It was suggested in the program, that the energy from the sun, was driving warming, or cooling.
    Is it really that simple?
    That counting sun spots, those vast forces of nature can and do affect our weather.
    After watching the movie, you realize that those suggesting warming caused by the sun, don't get the press.
    Those that say cars create the warming do.
    I like the graphs they had, showing warm periods during medieval times, when the climate was warmer, castles were being built with high ceilings, and vineyards were being cultivated in England.
    I don't know enough to really know, but it does make me think.
    http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/

    http://en.sevenload.com/videos/ha4Po...arming-Swindle
    Here is the entire movie
    Last edited by Terry; 11-09-2007 at 04:08 PM.

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    Good movie Terry. I was glad you posted it. I hope everyone watches it.

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    Terry, yes, I think it is that simple. The sun is huge and we do live in, what some would say, we live in its atmosphere. It is almost an arrogant thought, to think, that we as humans, could change climate.

    The Earth, is doing nothing different than what it had done for many many years, all on its own, without our help.

    If we can change climate, then, someone better come up with a cure for NHL. ( just my own thought)

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    Terry,

    Yes, it's a very interesting program. It is somewhat biased, but it makes some important points, and highlights the other side of the argument that is usually suppressed for political reasons.

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    I hope you did see the graphs.

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    Talking Good moovie but .....

    that was a very good movie....

    I agree with what you wrote about everyone trying to
    get a piece of the big money pie to fund their grants...

    and it all largely has to do with sun spots...


    but their was one thing that they blarely
    touched on but then left out of the movie....

    they had Al Gore in his movie looking at his
    chart of CO2 levels .over the eons the planet has existed.....

    and then they sort of debuked the whole premis.

    but never actually told or answered the
    problem that Gore was trying to expalin in his movie.

    they only showed him standing there in front of his charts...........

    they did not show or mention what he was really
    getting at with those charts and totally omitted it....

    they should have showed his whole chart graph and
    explained that to me too......

    In his movie .... for dramatics, it showed where Gore had to
    get into a cherry picker to raise himself up to the heights that C02 levels were presently at....

    far above the heights on his chart he could reach by just standing on the podium....

    and then how much higher they were going inthe next 20 years....

    I cant recall the exact number but I believe it was over
    50 to 100 times higher than has ever been in geological history.. and what was
    this gonna do to everythign on the planet...

    I suppose that they jsut discounted everythign that he mentioined
    claiming that the data simply has to be flawed????...



    this is the concern that Al Gore was talking about..
    and trying to get across in his movie.........

    I think we need more debate....

    BROOKLYNJON
    me and The Peoples Front of Judea
    will debate this and get back to you

    would you like to join us????





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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie View Post
    It is almost an arrogant thought, to think, that we as humans, could change climate.
    Yes, "almost" ... because many people seem to believe we actually can!

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    After watching the movie it makes all the sense in the world.

    It would be like saying that when baking a cake in an oven that the heat source had nothing to do with how it came out of the oven but that the salt used in the recipe was solely responsible for its outcome.

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    Thanks, Terry, for making me use up an hour and a quarter of a beautiful Saturday morning watching the computer when I could have been out on the dock watching the hydroplane races and the balloon launch. Another typical day here...

    Excellent movie with an interesting premise and very credible arguments. I've regained some of the skepticism I should have had all along as I read other writings and watched other movies. Makes me even more sorry that I won't be around to see how this plays out.

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    Watch it again Mark. It is explained about the CO2.
    Mikey, your hour was better spent watching the movie.
    Lee, it is really an arrogant thought. We will never be superior to Mother Nature.

    Off to shopping. On foot. Using no gas here or hot air. Just spending money of which I don't have enough of.
    * Come to think of it, since I am an avid recycler I could say, I am going to spend this Saturday morning recycling!
    I put those politicians to shame.
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    Talking cookie ...no it did not explain

    cookie...it explained how the co2 levels follow
    the temps of the planet by a few hundred years....

    they did not really explain why the co2 levels are
    the highest ever recorded in the history of the planet

    which was the point that Al Gore was trying to
    to dramatize in his movie.....

    watch Als movie again and I will watch this one over...


    oh whatever, why debate this anyway....


    I must be a moron ..... a gullible fool...
    .


    that has got to be the case...





    just go out and do your shopping..

    and forget about it..........

    ...

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    Default Mark,

    Your with the People's Front of Judea? Those kneebiters? I'm with the Judean People's Front!

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    If acknowledging the possibility of contributing to global warming, or third world covert operations aimed at anyone who doesn't want to be a muslim means having to drive a vehicle that might take 5 more minutes to get me to the mall...to heck with that!
    MUST have the mall!
    Has America completely lost touch with the difference between necessity and convenience?

    I DID notice Al Gore had a hair out of place, a wrinkle in his shirt in his movie, he lost all credibility on that note, he can't possibly know what he's talking about in that case.

    Do a web search for " Larson B ", though I think it's fair to assume enough of us agree the Earth is warming...
    Would it be arrogant to conveniently assume that the single period of the largest insertion of CO into the Earths atmosphere in it's 4.5 billion year history has nothing to do with it?
    I cannot say I know either way, but I'd rather not be toasting marshmallows in 20 years without the campfire thinking we could have done something.
    "The biggest regrets we have in life are the chances we never took."

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    Another point of mention...
    If the sun alone were the only contributor to heat retention, then why do we create greenhouses?
    Based on that theory, shouldn't a simple open structure hold heat just as effectively?
    If satellites are telling us the temperatures are the same, why are the ice caps melting?
    Why are Polar bears going to be extinct soon?
    Why are Greenland's glaciers melting?
    Why are Armadillo's starting to migrate north for the first time in known history?
    Why has the Amazon been experiencing increasingly worse droughts every year? The infamous "monsoon season" of Asia?
    Does anyone recall how effective the tobacco industry was at swaying "special interest" in big politics for years?
    Is it possible the petrolium industry could do the same?
    Again, I don't know, but I sure as hell can't just ignore the obvious.
    At least until it's time to hit the mall....
    Last edited by GrumpyPlumber; 11-10-2007 at 11:04 AM.
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    Talking ignore the obvious..you will sleep better

    In the long run its better to ignore the whole thing....

    its better that we just sweep it all under te rug....

    and try to ignore the obvious ...

    something like Deer stareing into headlights.....




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