Global Warming, now Water Shortage

**molo** · 10-30-2007, 01:04 PM

Water is a commodity now. It is bought and sold on the market with the stocks of major corps. that have bought (privatized) large amounts of water. Bottled water is a threat to our water source in many ways. YOU SHOULD NOT DRINK IT unless you need distilled water and can't make it yourself. We contaminate our water ridiculously. Go to the Adirondacks and you will see the damage. DEAD lakes as a result of sulfur emissions from coal and other insustry. These are not swimming pools, they are supposed to perform services to humans an are supposed to benefit our survival. We need to wake up and realize that we depend on ecosystem services.

take a look..

http://www.millenniumassessment.org/...cle.aspx?id=58

**FloridaOrange** · 10-30-2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by master plumber mark

when the whole Greenland Ice shelf melts away.
in just a few years...

their will be lots and lots of extra water in the atlantic....

and they have no idea what effect this might have on things...

perhaps massive rains or worst yet.....
how about 30 foot snow falls over Europe in the winter??
something like a new ice age....???

How about stopping the oceanic convection.....That would really screw us.
This topic does have me very concerned. I figure I might be dead before it becomes a critical issue but my little girl will have to live with it.

I've also read that we are already past the point of no return. The earth will get by....just maybe without so many of us around...........

**Dunbar Plumbing** · 10-30-2007, 02:05 PM

That guy's wasting water!! STOP HIM!!!!

**master plumber mark** · 10-30-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by FloridaOrange

How about stopping the oceanic convection.....That would really screw us.
This topic does have me very concerned. I figure I might be dead before it becomes a critical issue but my little girl will have to live with it.

I've also read that we are already past the point of no return. The earth will get by....just maybe without so many of us around...........

Its a pretty heavy subject for this thread..
and its comming about much faster than they predict......

when you think that we could be slammed dunked back into the stone age....literally overnight...

and very few of us would know how to survive the hardships......

except for maybe the Amish....or is that spelled Omish??

I just got to keep plumbing onward..
and pay my bills.........

**Mikey** · 10-30-2007, 03:41 PM

Here's the start of the European Commission's summary:

Climate change is one of the greatest environmental, social and economic threats facing the planet.

The warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level. The Earth's average surface temperature has risen by 0.76° C since 1850. Most of the warming that has occurred over the last 50 years is very likely to have been caused by human activities. In its Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), published on 2 February 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that, without further action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the global average surface temperature is likely to rise by a further 1.8-4.0°C this century. Even the lower end of this range would take the temperature increase since pre-industrial times above 2°C, the threshold beyond which irreversible and possibly catastrophic changes become far more likely.

The Working Group II "Summary for Policymakers" at http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM13apr07.pdf is well worth a read.

There's a decent DVD-based overview course given by a Dartmouth PhD reviewing the basic science, but it's $40:

http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursede....aspx?cid=1219

Are we having fun yet?

**Cookie** · 10-30-2007, 04:33 PM

Rugged,

I got a solution for the kidney stone and saving water at the same time!
http://www.gls-lithotripsy.com/Howdoes.html

I already had this done and the water they use is minimal as it works with shockwaves. Good luck!

**tonykarns** · 10-30-2007, 04:52 PM

People in Atlanta can no longer get a baptism due to the water shortage!

**Cass** · 10-30-2007, 07:09 PM

In the town I grew up in back in MA they no longer allow lawn watering systems to be installed at all.

**got_nailed** · 10-31-2007, 05:14 AM

I don’t want to say that were not killing he earth and we need to do something about it now but I will say that not all of your water issues and weather issues are based off of global warming.

The axis of the earth is not constant. The South Pole is more or less the pivot that we spin off of. The North Pole changes; this is because the North Pole is not “fixed” like the South Pole. Every year the top of the earth spins slightly more off center. This is why the ice caps are melting faster and the seasons are changing. The north pole is getting closer to the sun.

I know this goes back to what they want us to believe –vs- truth.
Did god make earth and everything on it or was it the evolution of man kind?
Global warming or the natural cycle of the earth?
Dose the government let us know everything or are there still a lot of top secret files?
Did they tell us everything about what is happening over seas or what they think we could handle with out us going into a wide spread panic?

Yes the earth is a closed system then why don’t we hear about the South Pole melting? In fact the ice in the South Pole is growing. If it was all part of global warming then you would think it would be melting to.

Look at the pic in red on the right side of the link.
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/l...recession.html

**Cookie** · 10-31-2007, 05:21 AM

Got Nailed,

I noticed the time you posted that, how you can be so awake and thinking in the morning?! I am sipping coffee and my eyes are still crossed!

You are on the ball.

**got_nailed** · 10-31-2007, 11:42 AM

I have a real third shift job. Until I can get my health insurance figured out then I will still have to work for someone.

I need the coffee now and it’s only 2:50 PM.

Hmm if I made coffee and the power I used to type this out I bet I shortened the life of the ice cap by what 1 year (lmfao)?

**Bosun** · 10-31-2007, 12:28 PM

While there are many natural causes of warming, I think it is foolhardy to think that human progress has nothing to do with it.

**FloridaOrange** · 10-31-2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Bosun

While there are many natural causes of warming, I think it is foolhardy to think that human progress has nothing to do with it.

Foolhardy is a word without enough emphasis. Those that state that 6 Billion people on this planet with the supporting industries have no effect on global warming are quite arrogant.

**BrooklynJon** · 10-31-2007, 01:07 PM

I respectfully disagree. There is simply no compelling evidence that actions by humans are causing global warming. Frankly, the evidence for global warming is fairly sketchy, but the evidence linking human activity to it is absent.
Is the polar ice cap melting? You bet. But this is part of a long term trend that's been occurring over the past 10,000 years, with a little break most recently during the "little ice age" in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.
Are temperature measurements increasing? It's hard to know with certainty. Most temperature measuring stations that have been around for a long time are located in areas which have been exposed to increasing urbanity, i.e. they used to be far outside the city, but the city - with its heat island effect - has been encroaching on them. Many temperature sensors are in places that render them completely unreliable, e.g. the thermometer positioned directly over the steam pipe at Rochester, NY's airport.
The evidence linking CO2 and temperature is retrospective, which can demonstrate correlation, but NOT CAUSALITY. Does higher CO2 cause higher temperatures? Does higher temperatures cause higher CO2? You can't know based on the data, but you can know if you take a bottle of soda out of the fridge and put it in the sun. Raising the temperature of a liquid (soda, the oceans) causes CO2 to be less soluble, and forces it out of solution (the air above the soda, the atmosphere). So it's no surprise that high atmospheric CO2 and high temperatures go together.
Finally, those data indicating that the 1990s were the hottest decade since we've been collecting data? They were erroneous. The hottest decade was the 1930s, when population was lower, and industrial output was waaay lower (remember the depression?).

So is it arrogant to take highly questionable data, misinterpret them, concoct an unlikely hypothesis, and then insist on policy changes while the hypothesis is far from proven - policy changes which will result in severe economic dislocations? Or is it arrogant to question whether we know enough to forge ahead with the gutting of the economy?

**FloridaOrange** · 10-31-2007, 01:37 PM

I never proposed any solution. Let me guess, you're a regular Faux news watcher? It seems the hard-core conservatives are steadfastly against admitting this situation. Before you call me a Lib, I am a republican, just an open minded one.

The Earth does indeed go through cycles of warming and cooling, just not warming at the speed it is doing now.

The majority of respected scientist have agreed that humans are having an impact on our environment. I'm not going to get in a pissing match with anyone about it, if someone wants to really believe that we aren't having a negative impact then I can't help them and they aren't going to part of any solution because for some reason they have their heads stuck in the sand.